1-29-13 - Reasons I'm Glad to Be a Reds Fan at this Precise Moment

By AshlandATeam at January 29, 2013 13:18
Filed Under: Off Season Ramblings

You know what sucks? The off season sucks. But the truth is that this exact moment sucks a little less for a Reds fan than a fan of just about every other team in baseball. Sure, the Giant fans are undoubtedly feeling good about their World Series Championship, and Canadians always seem like they're in a good mood, which means that given their off season, Jays fans are probably pretty stoked.

 

But hey - life is good for us Reds fans. Here are the 22 reasons I'm glad to be a Reds fan at this exact moment. Why 22? Because 22 is my favorite number, and life is too short to have lists that aren't your favorite number.

 

1. The Shin-Soo Choo Trade - A running joke between my wife and I has been that if and when we have children that we'll name them culturally inappropriate names (Jamal... D'Brickashaw... Jose... Juan... etc.). This may or may not make me a racist. My favorite, however, has been Shin-Soo after the former Cleveland Indian and newest Red. How hilarious would it be to have a totally white bread kid named Shin-Soo who's brother is named D'Brickashaw? Very hilarious, I say.

 

2. Aroldis Chapman in 2013 = Kris Medlen in 2012

 

3. The other day, Homer Bailey shot a lion in Africa. Seriously.

 

4. Jay Bruce, future HOFer? Don't laugh - the guy has the start of an impressive resume. With 134 home runs in five seasons, he's on pace to hit #400 before his age 36 season. Oh, and there's also the fact that the first two of those seasons weren't full years (he missed 120ish games in those seasons) and the fact that he's yet to reach his prime, which means we could be talking #500 by the time he's 36. Don't look now, but for all the hand-wringing about Jay Bruce, he could be a first ballot HOFer by the time all is said and done, and we here at RedsOctober could have witnessed his whole career. Together.

 

5. No Red was mentioned in this.

 

6. Or this.

 

7. The Mat Latos trade. Not only did he turn into a #2 who pitched the division clincher AND win the Reds first playoff game in 17 years, and not only did the Reds not give up anything of real consequence to the roster, but remember Gio Gonzalez? And how the Reds 'could' have traded for him instead? Well, not only was Gonzalez a dirty cheater last year, but one of guys Washington traded for him was Tommy Milone. And Tommy Milone is very, very good. That trade looks better and better with each passing day.

 

8. Brandon Phillips.

 

9. Todd Frazier.

 

10. Joey Votto.

 

11. Barry Larkin, 2012 HOFer!

 

12. Ryan Ludwick Reds left fielder again!

 

13. Chris Heisey and Mike Leake, the two apartment members that I will acknowledge ever living with.

 

14. Seriously - Mike Leake is still a Red. And I love Mike Leake!

 

15. I've alluded to this a bit before, and I haven't always felt this way, but I'm exceedingly glad for Walt Jocketty. Sure, sometimes he's a bit slow on the trigger, and yes - I still weep for the Denard Span era that never was. But remember this guy? Yeah, life could be worse.

 

16. The Reds may have the best roster in the National League, and the one team that has a claim on that spot outside of us just took a major hit today in the 'your players are actually just no-good cheaters' department. And yet, the Reds STILL have a solid cadre of minor league pitchers (Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino) and the Myth of Billy Hamilton in the minors. It's, frankly, an embarrassment of riches for the Reds these days.

 

17. This picture.

 

18. This one too.

 

19. Fine. This one as well.

 

20. The 2013 Cincinnati Reds will not have Edinson Volquez, Drew Stubbs, Edwin Encarnacion or Josh Hamilton on it. Actually, I feel bad including Stubbs in that group - the other three are douchebags, but Stubbs always seemed like a good guy. Whenever he struck out, he had those puppy dog eyes that made me angry for some reason. And, like a puppy that poops on the floor, it was unclear if he ever really understood what was wrong. Maybe THAT was Stubbs' problem - maybe he really, REALLY didn't understand what his job was at the plate. You think? Regardless, I'm incredibly glad that he's a Cleveland Indian, but so help me - if he turns into Matt Kemp there, I'm going to find his house and throw a brick through the window.

 

21. Joey Votto, 2013 MVP; Johnny Cueto, 2013 Cy Young; Cincinnati Reds, 2013 World Champions. None of those seem outlandish, do they?

 

22. You guys rule. Seriously - the amount of ass you all kick couldn't be quanitified, even by the world's foremost experts in ass-kicking algebra. Thanks for hanging in there through the off season.

 

Baseball will soon be here. Rejoice!

 


Comments (253) -

1/29/2013 1:25:58 PM #

DocProc

Okay, Ash, that was great.  Just great.  When my son and I were in GABP this weekend for the Select-A-Seat event, I said over and over again, "This is a GREAT time to be a Reds fan."

However, I'm wondering where points 21 and 22 are--did your posting get truncated?

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1/29/2013 1:35:29 PM #

AshlandATeam

Yeah, I have no idea what happened. Now it's a different font. Dumb.

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1/29/2013 1:36:46 PM #

AshlandATeam

There. Fixed. Kind of. I had to change the entire font for it to match.

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1/29/2013 2:27:01 PM #

Mary

cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/.../article.jsp
Really good to fundamentals as the basis for winning Reds baseball.

Mary | Reply

1/29/2013 2:28:05 PM #

Mary

To *see* fundamentals

Mary | Reply

1/29/2013 10:02:40 PM #

.genewv

Truthfully, fundamentals is the key to winning in almost any team sport--especially baseball, FB, and basketball. If you have talent plus fundamentals, you usually have something special.

Nice find, good read.

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1/29/2013 2:27:32 PM #

River Otter

Good list!

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1/29/2013 2:28:10 PM #

Champ Summers

number 19 was awesome. Great pic except for Votto being totally obstructed.

Funny that Arroyo is the only guy looking at the side angle camera.

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1/29/2013 2:31:18 PM #

btalbert25

Nice job Ash!  I love Jay Bruce and you can go back to end of August/beginning of September threads and find plenty of posts where I was lobbying for him to be NL MVP.  His stats commanded it in August, but no one was talking about the guy.  The biggest thing with him is, he's not satisfied with where he is as a player.  He came into camp in great shape last year, and word is he's continued that trend this offseason as well.  He keeps improving, he's still very young, and if he just could put it all together this year.

I really feel he could put together an MVP quality season, and I expect his stats to be quite impressive this year.  I also think BP is going to have a great season.  If Choo gets on base a lot, BP will see a lot of fastballs hitting in front of Votto.  If BP and Choo get on a lot, and they still pitch around Joey.  Ludwick and Bruce should have a lot of opportunities with the bases full of runners.

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1/29/2013 2:36:34 PM #

...Dawginnaples

Ash -That is quite simply the best off-season thread starter in the history of our storied conversations. You, my friend, have already set the bar really,really high for 2013. Loved all 3 pics. Right now I'm just rolling around in all the positive energy surrounding The New Red Machine. Well done.

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1/29/2013 3:33:34 PM #

Amy

I LOVE THIS THREAD! That is all.

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1/29/2013 3:39:08 PM #

DocProc

Number 21 is not at all outlandish.  And let's think a year ahead:

Billy Hamilton, 2014 ROY.

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1/29/2013 4:14:23 PM #

AshlandATeam

I added a picture to the end of the first bobblehead of the season - a picture I wish had been on the list. Not wanting to deviate from the list of 22, I just tacked it on the end.

And yes - it's way, WAY too big. What of it? It's awesome.

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1/29/2013 6:18:46 PM #

Statmom


Great Starter!  I am excited for the year.  I am still trying to decide whether to make a trip to Goodyear.  No off days in March for Statson, so he would either have to play hooky so we could all go or I would have to go solo while Mr. Statmom is Mr. Mom.  

I registered for the Opening Day ticket lottery today.  Listening to the Hot Stove League on WLW right now.

Can't.Wait!

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1/29/2013 8:08:01 PM #

Hebron Reds Fan

Thanks Ash!  So needed that!  I read numbers 1 and 20 out loud to my wife and daughter.  Good stuff.  So glad baseball season is almost here!

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1/29/2013 9:16:30 PM #

Amy

So...FYI...if you join the Rosie Reds, you get opportunities to buy lots of tickets at discount prices. Including a 3-game package that includes Opening Day. They say it's not guaranteed to all members--first come first served--but it's better odds than the ticket lottery. Probably too late for this year, because it takes a while to get your membership card from them, but remember it for next year!

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1/29/2013 11:26:38 PM #

Soccerdad13

You would be the youngest member of the Rosie Reds.

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1/30/2013 11:52:54 AM #

Statmom



I used to think only "women of a certain age" were admitted.  Come to think of it I may now be eligible.  Sigh . . .

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1/30/2013 1:14:09 PM #

Amy

I used to think that as well. But I was encouraged to join by someone who is younger than I am, and I know several women younger than I am who are also members. So far the $25 membership fee is proving to be completely worth it.

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1/30/2013 1:43:53 PM #

RedFaced

I guess this is only open to women?  I do have a feminine name if that counts?

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1/30/2013 1:56:10 PM #

Amy

Actually, it isn't only open to women, if you read the information. Smile

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1/30/2013 2:03:54 PM #

AshlandATeam

Wow. For $25 every single Reds fan ever should join that group.

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1/30/2013 2:23:27 PM #

Amy

This is what I'm saying.

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1/31/2013 6:21:33 PM #

Soccerdad13

It's probably better than Panera for meeting chicks.

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2/1/2013 11:59:35 AM #

Champ Summers

take that back

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1/30/2013 1:06:32 AM #

SDDennis

Nice stuff, Ash! Classic A-Team. Smile

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1/30/2013 1:44:37 PM #

RedFaced

Nice starter Ash - I'm starting to get a little stoked for the upcoming season.  

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1/30/2013 2:36:45 PM #

AshlandATeam

www.fangraphs.com/.../

Some names I hadn't heard there.

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1/30/2013 3:12:57 PM #

DocProc

So many pitchers on that list.  I hope the Reds can develop or trade for a stud OF prospect who is groomed to replace Ludwick when his contract is finished.

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1/30/2013 4:02:48 PM #

btalbert25

That's the beauty of all those great arms.  Develop great pitching prospects and trade for what you need!

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1/30/2013 4:04:28 PM #

btalbert25

What's funny about these lists is remember like 2 years ago when we were all laughing at what kind of a joke the Cards system was?  They are now ranked number 1 according to at least 1 list we have seen recently.  It doesn't take long to build it back up if it's not dysfunctional like they Reds organization was at one point.  Just lacking on some talent can be fixed quickly.

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1/30/2013 5:09:42 PM #

DocProc

I just broke down and bought a 40-game package for the season.  The seats were too good to pass up:  Section 426 (View Level Box), third row, on the aisle.  Here’s the view:  http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://seatdata.com/images/mlb_reds/800x600/426.jpg&imgrefurl=www.rateyourseats.com/.../sections.php:&tbnh=91&tbnw=121&zoom=1&usg=__I38SklvYKOTmEccfapy_-EwfvQ8=&docid=TosZ8y_ljxL2jM&sa=X&ei=35kJUYHFK-e90QGf5YCoDA&ved=0CDsQ9QEwAQ&dur=117


We’ll probably go to 20-25 games and sell the rest of the tickets.  My friends at Reds October will be the first to know when I put them up for sale.

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1/30/2013 5:10:55 PM #

DocProc

Sorry for that mess--I thought the link would condense and work.  Anyway, they're great seats!

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1/30/2013 8:26:48 PM #

Hebron Reds Fan

Those are great seats.  I'm jealous--I would love to have 40 games.  Someday--I will make that happen.  Congrats Doc!

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1/30/2013 5:55:05 PM #

Mary

Is it too early to be thinking about our starter for Opening Day?  SDDennis has gotten the season off to such great starts the past few years I am hoping we can have him volunteer to do another for 2013, a championship year in the making.

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1/30/2013 5:56:13 PM #

DocProc

Hear, hear!

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1/31/2013 10:58:14 AM #

...Dawginnaples

I'd be down with this:
cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

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1/31/2013 11:05:27 AM #

Champ Summers

Reds ‏@Reds

RHP Alfredo Simon and OF Chris Heisey agree to terms on 1-year contracts for 2013, avoiding arbitration. Bailey, Choo, Latos, Leake remain.

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1/31/2013 11:08:18 AM #

DocProc

That's good news.  Going to arbitration can be really nasty.  Hope the others settle soon--and perhaps multi-year deals for Latos and Bailey.

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1/31/2013 11:17:57 AM #

River Otter

I agree.  Hopefully they can avoid arbitration with all of them.

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1/31/2013 12:30:23 PM #

Champ Summers

I think Latos goes to arb. He's still a tool.

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1/31/2013 12:32:20 PM #

AshlandATeam

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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1/31/2013 12:50:58 PM #

Amy

/dying

If I had to pick one out of that list who'd go to arb, it'd be Latos. Two? Latos and Bailey. When's the deadline?

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1/31/2013 1:32:07 PM #

Champ Summers

I think its next week but I could be wrong. If bailey and Latos don't sign something long term they will both have hearings.

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1/31/2013 12:52:34 PM #

DocProc

Dear Scott:

Either go to the Dodgers or hang up the cleats.  cincinnati.com/.../

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1/31/2013 12:54:38 PM #

btalbert25

That is funny.  I don't think the MLB will ever do a rotating 5 year option for Cincinnati.  The other cities would have a shit fit I'm sure.  I also totally disagree with his thoughts on Indiana and basketball.  The very roots of the modern game are firmly planted in Kansas! Naismith coached there.  Phog Allen was the all time winningest coach when he retired and 2 of his pupils were Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith.  So the guy who invented basketball coached there, they had the most successful coach at the time he retired and Rupp surpassed him, with Smith surpassing Rupp.  Basically, the 3 all time winningest programs in college basketball history (in terms of total wins) have their roots in Kansas!!!!!

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1/31/2013 1:30:41 PM #

Champ Summers

Just pulled this off the WWL

espn.go.com/.../cincinnati-reds-spark-classic-risk-vs-reward-debate

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1/31/2013 1:51:22 PM #

bjsReds1

I think Price is right here.  I was all for Chapman in the bullpen last year, but when you look at the numbers the decision is easy.  Chapman is already a great closer, but a great starter is so much more valuable.  Sure the 9th is automatic, but how many losses is Chapman not in the pen going to cost the Reds?  3, 4, or 5?  How many wins will they make up by having him start instead of Leake?  Who knows, but at the end of the day the wins and losses will be close to a wash.  

Where it matters is the playoffs where having enough dominant starters so Mike Leake doesn't have to pitch is what matters.  And if the Reds need an inning or two in the 9th to close out the NLCS or World Series, there's no reason Chapman's not the guy just like Randy Johnson.

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1/31/2013 2:10:58 PM #

btalbert25

I don't think they lose 5 more games by having Broxton closing than they do having Chapman closing.  He still blew just about 1 out of every 9 save opportunities.  I think Broxton can hold that rate or come close to it.

At the end of the day though you are right, it's all about comparing Chapman to Leake.  Chapman adds a lefty to the rotation, and at the end of the day will be better than Leake.

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1/31/2013 2:05:39 PM #

btalbert25

I just don't think it's that risky.  I know he had incredible numbers and stretches of the season.  He also blew 5 of 44 save opportunities, and when he was bad, he was REALLY bad (short stretches I understand).  Now, he did have a lot of opportunities where being near perfect was what the team needed to close out the game, but I don't think that's going to be necessary this year.  I think this team is going to score a lot more runs than last year, and if Broxton gives us 80 percent of what Chapman did in terms of getting guys on base and hits, walks etc, he'll be able to keep that same save rate as Chapman.  He won't be lock down like Chapman was at times last year, but I don't see him blowing significantly more saves than Chapman did.  

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1/31/2013 2:19:40 PM #

bjsReds1

Agree totally.  If Chapman stinks it up, we know he can come back to the bullpen pumping triple digit fastballs up there.  At one point in time David Weathers had numbers not far off from Chapman's in terms of closing games.  If the Cardinals can do what they've done with the crappy bullpen they've had the last two seasons, then the Reds can win the World Series with the bullpen they have.

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1/31/2013 1:57:22 PM #

bjsReds1

If Scott Rolen is haggling the Reds over money, then that isn't the Rolen we've known.  I've thought for over a month now Rolen wanted to play.  He would have retired already if that's what he wanted.  If he wanted a maximum contract and to play every day, he already would have likely signed elsewhere.  Fay is just an idiot with no original thought at all.  Rolen has made his money.  If he wants to come back, it's likely because he wants to win and contribute in Cincinnati. Sometime during the Spring, Rolen will sign a 1 year deal worth a million or two with the Reds.  He'll either skip the spring altogether or report at the tail end.  He'll spend a couple weeks getting ready either in Arizona or Louisville and report to Cincinnati once they need him or the weather warms a bit.  Dusty may not like it, but this isn't Dusty's call.  Walt and Rolen are calling the shots here and likely already have a plan.  Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just my opinion.

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1/31/2013 4:11:48 PM #

River Otter

This would make the most sense.

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1/31/2013 4:10:25 PM #

River Otter

Good article by Crasnick.  I agree with the rest you that it's the right move to try it.

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1/31/2013 4:26:11 PM #

AshlandATeam

Two things:

1. Chapman is a win/win. If he works out as a starter, awesome - we have the best rotation in the NL, and that includes Washington. If not, fine - we once again have the best bullpen in the NL, with Leake sliding into the #5 spot and giving us arguably the best rotation in the NL, behind Washington. There's NO risk to this. None at all.

2. If Scott Rolen takes playing time from Todd Frazier, I'm going to take the brick I had pegged for Drew Stubbs' house and send it to Scottie's. Maybe Frazier can't hold up for 500 ABs; that's why Hannahan is here. Rolen's time is up. Go. Away. Now.

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1/31/2013 4:27:46 PM #

DocProc

Couldn't agree more with both points.

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1/31/2013 7:38:45 PM #

bjsReds1

I agree it's Frazier's time.  I'm excited about it being his time.  I expect to play well.  However, it's no guarantee he does what he did last year.  If he were to get hurt or not play well, I don't see Hannahan as the answer.  Not going to lie, I want Rolen on this team or with this organization somehow.  I don't want Rolen to take much time from Frazier, but I don't think he will.  Even if Dusty were to play Rolen a little too much, it's not as big a deal as it was last year.  With Choo replacing Stubbs and leading off, I don't think Rolen messes things up at all.

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2/1/2013 11:58:28 AM #

AshlandATeam

I think you're underestimating Dusty Baker. The first back to back 0-4 by Frazier will mean that Rolen gets two weeks of starts because hey - Frazier's struggling, and you've gotta keep your bench guys fresh anyway, right?

Rolen wasn't good last year. His offense has been bad for a few years now, and his defense definitely slipped last year. He has zero value other than a veteran-y presence.

Frankly, I don't think we need that presence with Votto/Bruce/Ludwick in the clubhouse.

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2/1/2013 12:08:40 PM #

AshlandATeam

Okay fine. I might not be perfectly fair here. He was worth 1.1 WAR last year in just 92 games; that's nearly league average when it's projected to a full season.

But I think Frazier is well above league average, and he has to have room to breathe/grow/struggle/find himself. I'm just not sure that happens with Rolen in Cincy, especially if the issue right now is money and he's fighting for more than the minimum.

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2/1/2013 12:29:17 PM #

DocProc

What Ash just said.

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1/31/2013 4:38:32 PM #

DocProc

Darn--the only televised Spring Training game will be on the air while I'm flying home from Spring Training!  

Can't wait to listen to games on the radio.

ramsey.mlblogs.com/.../

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1/31/2013 11:22:22 PM #

Champ Summers

Don't forget about the MLB network. They air games from other teams. Last year it seems I saw 6 or 7 games on Tv

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2/1/2013 8:49:01 AM #

Champ Summers

More Chapman talk via Sweetspot.

I think they need to do a better job explaining he was a starter pressed into bullpen duty.

espn.go.com/.../overunder-aroldis-chapmans-ip-era

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2/1/2013 10:10:22 AM #

DocProc

Agreed.  He was a starter before we signed him, and he was a (very good) starter in Spring Training last year.  This isn't like trying to turn Broxton into a starter.

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2/1/2013 12:07:42 PM #

Champ Summers

Count me as not being sold on the idea. I on't think he'l have issues getting guys out. I'm worried about pitch efficiency. Can't have another Volquez or 2010 Cueto. He needs to get through 6 regularly for the sake of the pen although Simon could use some more work. Have him ready to go 2 or 3 during Chapman starts...no more Chipotle deliveries to the pen.

All that said you have to try it. You have to find out what you've got. This team is much more intimidating in a short series with Cueto, Latos and Chapman coming at you.

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2/1/2013 8:52:54 AM #

Champ Summers

and if your interested in the comments of over 800 informed or uninformed solicited opinions...

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2/1/2013 11:52:58 AM #

River Otter

This article is worth reading solely for the photo at the end:  sports.yahoo.com/.../...last-season-015944539.html

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2/1/2013 11:57:10 AM #

Amy

+a million

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2/1/2013 12:28:46 PM #

DocProc

+bazillion

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2/1/2013 12:12:21 PM #

AshlandATeam

That team has so many question marks I can't imagine saying they're the #9 team. And if they're not different than last season (as Passan says), then they're not a threat to us.

I've just seen so much talk about them being the favorites for some reason and I don't get it. At all. Every spot in that rotation is a question - Wainwright, Carp, and Garcia are health risks; Lynn couldn't make it a whole season, and Westbrook is not good. Their lineup is solid, but again - Beltran and Freese are health question marks, and their starting shortstop is Ronny Cedeno.

I don't suppose anything anyone writes is hugely important. But part of Cards fans being insufferable is that their freaking ego is stroked all the time.

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2/1/2013 1:17:58 PM #

River Otter

I love it that some are predicting the Cardinals will win the NL Central.  It should give the Reds some extra motivation.

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2/1/2013 1:20:21 PM #

Champ Summers

Who thinks JJ Hoover will be the closer by June?

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2/1/2013 1:29:28 PM #

River Otter

I'm optimistic that Broxton will be the guy all year.  Was it the splitter that Hanigan got him throwing again that helped him last year?

I do think Hoover has the potential to be a future closer.

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2/1/2013 1:33:34 PM #

AshlandATeam

I have next to zero confidence in Broxton. The only reason I'm fine with Broxton getting the first crack at this is because between Marshall/Masset/Hoover/etc., SOMEONE will step up. Surely.

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2/1/2013 1:21:21 PM #

Champ Summers

Reds, Miguel Olivo Nearing Deal
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 1, 2013 at 12:15pm CST]

The Reds are nearing a deal with free agent catcher Miguel Olivo, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (Twitter links). The Phillies, Astros and Dodgers also inquired on Olivo, who's represented by agent Martin Arburua.

Olivo played for the Mariners in 2012, appearing in 87 games. The right-handed hitter posted a .222/.239/.381 batting line with 12 home rune in 323 plate appearances. He hit for more power against left-handers than right-handers last year, which isn't surprising considering his career line of .270/.303/.477 against southpaws.
Read more at www.mlbtraderumors.com/.../...vo-nearing-deal.html

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2/1/2013 1:23:38 PM #

Champ Summers

Depth at catcher in AAA was important. He's a guy that can step in and play a significant role if something happens to one of our other guys. I like the addition. Poor Corky is #4 again. This also takes some pressure off Barnhardt this spring.

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2/1/2013 1:30:29 PM #

River Otter

Good point.  Gotta love the fact that Walt is still working to improve the team's depth.

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2/1/2013 1:33:53 PM #

AshlandATeam

God help us if Olivo is a major league deal.

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2/1/2013 1:38:51 PM #

Champ Summers

I'd imagine its the same deal Navarro got last year.

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2/1/2013 1:49:25 PM #

AshlandATeam

If that's the case, then fine. The organization doesn't seem overly confident in Mes, though, and that scares me. Olivo's OBP was .239 last year; if that guy gets 25-30 starts behind the plate this year, it's not going to be fun to watch.

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2/1/2013 2:43:40 PM #

Champ Summers

I think it scares them to go into a pennant race with no real insurance. What if hanigan went down? I don't think the management team is real comfortable with Mesoraco in that type of leadership role.

I think Dusty pointed out a maturity issue. That blow that caused a suspension points to that. Can't have that guy going into the playoffs as your #1 with no back up plan. I love Corky but he ain't that guy.

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2/1/2013 1:43:57 PM #

Champ Summers

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

Hafner and yankees have a deal now

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2/1/2013 1:41:02 PM #

Mary

Off topic, but timely (just ordered my GS cookies a couple of weeks ago).  Wine listing to go with the different cookies-if Amy ends up stuck with some cookies, this may be a way to move them
belmontshore.patch.com/.../what-will-a-girl-scout-leader-do-to-unload-those-do-si-dos-in-her-trunk

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2/1/2013 2:40:27 PM #

River Otter

Brilliant.

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2/1/2013 1:51:41 PM #

AshlandATeam

I think mlb.com is trying to end the nation's marriages and relationships. On the front page of the shop is this:

'Think of Her On Valentine's Day: 20% off Women's Jerseys!'

Now - my wife has more than one Reds jersey. She loves baseball. But so help me if THAT'S my Valentine's present. I'm pretty sure if that's what I presented her for Valentine's day, it'd be worse than if I'd just forgotten altogether.

shop.mlb.com/.../index.jsp

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2/1/2013 2:39:43 PM #

River Otter

I can only imagine my wife's reaction if that's what I got her for Valentine's Day (or any holiday for that matter).

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2/1/2013 3:52:48 PM #

btalbert25

It would be cheaper to buy diamonds I'm sure.  MLB gear is freakin expensive

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2/1/2013 3:56:20 PM #

btalbert25

Not surprised Homer is going to Arbitration, he won't sign multi year deal to stay here.  His comments make it clear he's not crazy about the city, fans, or stadium.  I really thought they could get something done with Latos, but he probably stands to get quite a raise in arbitration.  

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2/1/2013 1:59:22 PM #

Dawginnaples



The best part of the Olivo news is discovering the Reds are not penniless. No, seriously, he should provide good insurance and maybe even decent depth as a backup. I'm in the "Broxton will be the closer" camp.Give him a full ST with Pryce and more time to get familiar with Ryan and he'll be even better this year.
  

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2/1/2013 2:12:06 PM #

Mary

an anti-WAR article just for AAT
espn.go.com/.../call-moderation-use-wins-replacement-stat

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2/1/2013 2:37:31 PM #

River Otter

Champ was right -- it's a minor league deal for Olivo:  marksheldon.mlblogs.com/.../

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2/1/2013 2:45:00 PM #

Champ Summers

Jose Canseco ‏@JoseCanseco

I do not have bitch tits
Retweeted by Dallas Latos

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2/1/2013 5:36:22 PM #

Amy

Moobs.

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2/1/2013 2:46:54 PM #

bjsReds1

I'm not saying I want Scott Rolen playing every day.  I'm not even sure I want him starting the season in the Majors, but I am saying I want him in the fold at some point.  I'm hoping that is Walt's plan.  There's no way I'm counting on Jason Donald.  I like what I've seen of Jack Hannahan, but who really knows with him either.  I like the Izturis signing too.  Let's be realistic, though.  At some point there is going to be an injury or someone is going to struggle.  God forbid Votto goes down or Frazier can't hit .240, but if that were to happen, I want Scott Rolen around.

Rolen was very productive with RISP last season.  He still plays better defense than 95% of 3rd basemen on the planet.  He is THE veteran presence that has helped resurrect this organization.  If Walt can work out something reasonable, then I'm all for bringing Rolen back.  Based on how this team looks on paper and what Walt and Dusty both have done, I'm going to trust Dusty to manage it.  Donald/Hannahan/Izturis may pan out perfectly, but odds are at some point the Reds will be able to use Scott Rolen.  Come October, I'd rather have Rolen than any of those 3 and it's not close.

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2/1/2013 2:49:37 PM #

bjsReds1

The Olivo deal is depth only.  If I were betting, I'd bet money on Mesoraco to have a breakout season this season.  It seems everyone has forgot about him.  Last year he came a long way behind the dish.  This year he'll be able to focus more at the plate.  I wouldn't be surprised to see .250 with 15+ bombs this season.

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2/1/2013 2:54:10 PM #

Champ Summers

Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon

Jocketty not optimistic on progress with 4 remaining #reds up for arbitration http://atmlb.com/YpgNuj

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2/1/2013 4:10:05 PM #

Dawginnaples

Funny how players perception of themselves seems to change with team success. In fairness, though, Bailey and Latos were valued well below their contributions.

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2/1/2013 4:13:49 PM #

btalbert25

I got reply jailed but here's what I think:

Not surprised Homer is going to Arbitration, he won't sign multi year deal to stay here.  His comments make it clear he's not crazy about the city, fans, or stadium.  I really thought they could get something done with Latos, but he probably stands to get quite a raise in arbitration.  

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2/1/2013 4:15:13 PM #

btalbert25

Homer is shaping up to be a really nice pitcher, but I don't care for the guy at all. He puts up another year or 2 like he did last year in GABP, he's going to command a lot of money when he hits free agency.  Double jackpot for him.  He can get out of here and get paid A LOT of money to do so.

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2/1/2013 3:55:09 PM #

btalbert25

I want Scott Rolen with the Reds, as a bench coach of some sort.

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2/1/2013 4:07:45 PM #

bjsReds1

I'd be happy with that.

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2/1/2013 4:11:37 PM #

Dawginnaples

I might be a glass half-full guy but I wouldn't be surprised to see Scott have a pretty nice curtain call this year if he decides to come back. Question is, where?

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2/1/2013 4:12:53 PM #

btalbert25

I really thought last season would be that way for him.  I just don't think his body can hold up to a full season anymore.

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2/1/2013 5:08:09 PM #

Amy

Um... ?

Reds @Reds
Reds sign lefthanded reliever Manny Parra to 1-year contract, designate for assignment RHP Todd Redmond.

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2/1/2013 5:11:44 PM #

DocProc

At least we dumped useless Redmond.

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2/1/2013 5:16:21 PM #

AshlandATeam

Yep.

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2/1/2013 5:09:54 PM #

AshlandATeam

I don't think the Reds can commit to both Latos and Bailey long term. Not with a second Cueto extension looming. And I think BTA is on to something with Bailey being the odd man out eventually - he's never seemed overly fond of Cincinnati, either the ballpark or the city. Plus, given what the Reds gave up for Latos, I'd imagine they want him to stick around.

It's obviously down the road a spell, but that's why Stephenson/Cingrani/Corcino are so valuable.

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2/1/2013 5:11:59 PM #

DocProc

Agreed.

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2/1/2013 8:59:41 PM #

bjsReds1

Also why the Chapman experiment is important.  If Chapman works as a starter, the Reds can afford to let Bailey go.  If he's as good this year as last and the Reds win, they could put him on the market and potentially get some great pieces or a young impact power hitter to take over LF in 2 years.

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2/1/2013 10:11:53 PM #

DocProc

Exactly.

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2/1/2013 5:14:43 PM #

Amy

You guys saw this, right? The truck is loaded!

cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

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2/1/2013 5:16:48 PM #

AshlandATeam

Parra replaces Bray then?

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2/1/2013 5:19:29 PM #

AshlandATeam

Last year, lefties hit .229/.323/.312 off of Parra, while right handers hit .296/.403/.424.

In other words, right handers were basically all Ryan Zimmerman at the plate, while left handers were basically all Drew Stubbs.

So, he could be nice if he's used well, and a disaster if he's not.

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2/1/2013 5:30:06 PM #

Amy

Poor Stubbs. I'm not faulting your comparison at all, just...poor Stubbs.

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2/1/2013 5:55:21 PM #

AshlandATeam

This article only kind of has to do with baseball. But it's utterly fantastic.

www.grantland.com/.../daring-ask-ped-question

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2/1/2013 7:22:19 PM #

Dawginnaples

I like the comments from the readers. You know, maybe Rolen could use a little deer antler velvet extract. He could be a first ballot HOFer if he got some 3 years ago.
  Also, as much as I rant about Bonds, at least he didn't stab 2 guys to death outside a bar 20 years ago(allegedly)! If I had front row tickets for Sunday I'd wear a white suit with blood all over it.  Smile

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2/1/2013 7:26:43 PM #

btalbert25

The author does bring up a good point at the end when he talks about medical procedures that are allowed vs PED's.  It is certainly performance enhancing to replace a blown ligament with one from a cadaver.  

I agree, Ray Lewis is a cheater, but it wasn't from Deer Antler spray.  I read somewhere where you get something like 25 times more IGF-1 from a glass of Milk than you do deer antler spray extracts.

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2/1/2013 7:35:22 PM #

Mary

It is also perfectly legal to get your ligaments from cadavers; PEDs are not only banned, but also illegal as used.  I think that is a valid line to draw.

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2/1/2013 7:42:22 PM #

btalbert25

Are you talking about in the sport or in real life?  People take testosterone and HGH all the time in real life.  I'm just saying that it's conceivable that a pitcher could throw better at 37 with a new ligament in his arm than he did at 34 with one that was starting to fail.  Isn't that the same as a pitcher taking testosterone to get a boost at 37?  

I really don't know.

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2/1/2013 7:49:16 PM #

Mary

People take testosterone and HGH all the time in real life.

and much of it is done illegally by anti-aging clinics and the like--the fact that it is being used does not make its use legal.  There are only certain conditions that are legally permissable to have these drugs prescribed for. These are quite limited in reality:
According to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA, human growth hormone is legal for only 2 conditions; wasting syndrome of AIDS and Growth Hormone Deficiency (GHD).  The diagnosis of GHD must meet 2 very specific diagnosis criteria; If a person has a subnormal response to the growth hormone stimulation test and patients with GHD, either alone or along with multiple hormone deficiencies, as a result of disease of the pituitary, hypothalamic disease, surgery, radiation therapy or trauma or patients who were deficient of growth hormone as children.

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2/1/2013 7:40:29 PM #

btalbert25

I don't have the hardline stance against PED's that other people do.  I remember 1998 well.  I was a Senior in high school and my dad got 4 tickets to a Reds/Cards game toward the end of September.  We got the tickets in August and I said Oh, Maybe McGwire will break the record that night.  Dad laughed and said, no if he breaks it it'll be the last couple games of the season.

Well fast forward to the night before the game and I was cheering so hard for a line shot to not make it over that fence at Busch Stadium.  The next day we went to the game, and it was amazing.  There was a real buzz in the crowd.  There were 100's of media folks there before the game.  It was a great atmosphere.  On top of all that, I got to sit in the stands with my dad, grandpa, and uncle and applaud McGwire when he stepped up to the plate for doing something truly amazing.

I'll never forget that night as long as I live.  When McGwire Stepped to the plate the crowd was deafening.  I've never heard a crowd in Cincinnati that loud.  1000's of flash bulbs were going off at the same time.  It was crazy, I've really never seen anything like it.  Pete Schourek stepped off the mound and tipped his cap to McGwire.  I've never seen anything like that in a game before.

Even knowing he used PED's doesn't change a thing.  I still get goosebumps thinking about it.  It was a great moment I got to share with 3(1 who is no longer with us)of the most important people in my life.  Without PED's that moment probably doesn't happen.  

I hate that records are tarnished, but nothing that any of these fools did diminished what Babe Ruth or Roger Maris did.  There are so many factors in today's game that in my opinion will ultimately lead to records being broken.  Fences are shorter, mounds are smaller, the ball is different, bats are better.  Technology allows for excellent film for players to break down on other players, and glitches in their own mechanics with throwing or hitting.  Today's technology also allows for more advanced scouting reports.  Let's not forget careers being extended because of much better medical procedures and legal medicine.  It sucks that guys cheat, it sucks that PED's are rampant in sports, but to me it doesn't change my opinion of great players of all era's.  If everyone is cheating, and you are the best player of the cheaters, well isn't that kind of the same as being the best when nobody cheats?

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2/2/2013 6:12:21 PM #

Dawginnaples

One of the reasons I am so opposed to toleration of PEDs is the fact that it creates an environment where you "must" juice to have the same chances as those who do. In other words, you can play like Lyle Alzado and then die like Lyle Alzado or perhaps not play at all. Now, granted, that's an extreme case but I'm resigned to the position that some guys will look for any edge in competition and most of those guys will keep doubling up on the bet as long as the game goes on. Bigger doses, more covert procurement, whatever it takes. That brings on the relationships with people who illegally provide illegal substances and that is bad for the game. It's messy on so many levels.

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2/2/2013 12:12:49 AM #

Ashlandateam2

Speaking to #22 on my list: over at Fay's blog there's actually a spirited debate where Reds fans are complaining about Hanigan playing too much and calling for Mesoraco to play every day.

Holy freaking ridiculous opinion, Batman!

97 wins and the fewest runs allowed in the league and people want to replace the dude behind the plate. Insane.

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2/2/2013 7:16:24 AM #

timmytwoshoezzz

Hanigan started 98 gams last year.  That number is probbaly about right, and will hopefully be the upper limit of how much he starts.  He's a great player and the Reds are fortunate to have him, but he will never catch everyday like Yadi Molina.  Hopefully Dusty finds a way of rotating catchers so they stay fresh and can produce at the plate  

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2/2/2013 11:54:06 AM #

River Otter

Sounds about right to me too.  Hanigan just isn't big enough to catch everyday.  I also think Snacks will eventually be a stud.  Hopefully his offense will be much improved this year.

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2/2/2013 11:59:54 AM #

DocProc

Even though Mez was a major disappointment last year, I find it hard to believe that all the scouts and front office guys got it wrong on this guy.  Looking for a good bounceback year from him.  Just about anything is an improvement.

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2/2/2013 5:13:16 PM #

Dawginnaples

Ain't Hanigan about as big as Benito Santiago 6'1"  190)? Is he that much smaller than Bench, even? (Bench played at 6'1" 208) Ryan is at 6' even and 210. There are plenty of catchers his size that catch 120 or more games a year. I'm not asking for that. I'm just saying I think you guys might be over emphasizing his size as a reason he doesn't go everyday. It's a grueling job and you probably get better results with a platoon if you have 2 good catchers. That's all.

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2/2/2013 6:35:19 PM #

timmytwoshoezzz

There's no denying his size plays a major factor.  Look at his career splits, there's a noticeable difference in his numbers later in the year.

As for the comp with Bench or Santiago, I surmise that each person is different.  Some small people win marathons, others can't keep up with the taller, longer striding folks.  Hanigan has worn down in the past, although it is possible that his stamina will increase over time, I still think he's best when Dusty can find some regular rest for him

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2/2/2013 6:46:55 PM #

Dawginnaples

That's kinda what I was saying. If you look at catchers in general you will find that most of them have a significant drop off in offense as the season wears on. Jammed fingers, tired knees, sore backs, and bruised forearms probably play a big part in that. I just thought it sounded like folks were implying he was undersized for a catcher. He plainly is not. He is fact, about avearge.

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2/2/2013 8:31:59 PM #

Dawginnaples

By the way, I ran the numbers.NL 1st string catchers on average are:
6'1"
213.3 lbs
and caught 114.4 games
AL 1st string catchers are:
6'2"
212 lbs
and caught 115.5 games
How does Ryan stack up?
6'0"
210 lbs
caught112 games
Looks pretty close to average, all the way around.

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2/2/2013 8:36:30 PM #

DocProc

I'm really impressed with your number collecting/crunching.  Smile

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2/2/2013 10:14:45 PM #

Amy

Basketball stresses me out. (Go Hoosiers)

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2/3/2013 10:19:48 AM #

Mary

www.sacbee.com/.../...-report-dusty-baker-has.html

Dusty story

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2/3/2013 5:53:51 PM #

Amy

Good read. I really, really hope he gets his WS ring.

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2/3/2013 6:18:21 PM #

DocProc

Yeah, me too.  Actually, I hope he gets several.

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2/3/2013 10:09:07 PM #

bjsReds1

Me too.  I really have come full circle on Dusty.  I'm sure he'll still do some things that will drive me nuts, but Dusty is a good man that treats his players right.  He's not a win at all costs guy which is why I've felt the way I have about him for so long.  But that trait is why his players love and respect him and what makes him a good manager.  It won't be right in the world if Dusty doesn't win the big one before his time is up.  The baseball world deserves the great story it would be if Dusty won one.  Certainly beats jackwagons like LaRussa.  I'm enjoying being in Dusty's corner.  I'm honestly pulling for the guy now as much as I'm pulling for the Reds to win.  IMO, Dusty is the definition of sportsmanship in all the right ways.  It's taken me a long time to see it, but I'm there now.  Still not without his faults, but he's better than 90% of the rest of the guys in pro sports.

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2/4/2013 10:20:03 AM #

btalbert25

I've alwas been fairly pro-Dusty.  I thought after 2011 they should part ways just because after 2010, I didn't think they should of regressed.  Hind-sight though, 2010 (as fun as it was) was a fluke and that team obviously wasn't a legit World Series contender.  

Last year's team, though it had many regular season wins, was still incomplete and I'm not convinced an elite manager would of won it all with them.

2013, to me is the rear to really judge Dusty. The bench is very good, he'll have starting pitching depth, he has an offensive lineup with no holes, the D will still be great, and the bullpen is going to be strong too.  There are no excuses for this team to not make the NLCS in my opinion (without injuries of course).

Dusty doesn't get a fair shake in this town really. Ask Reds fans if they'd take a manger who won the division 2 times in 3 years they would say ABSOLUTELY. If they crap out this year or lose in the NLDS in embarrassing fashion I'll be upset.

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2/4/2013 11:15:16 AM #

bjsReds1

I think stability is very important for an organization like the Reds and Dusty provides that.  Dusty is a status quo guy.  His teams are about the Jimmy's and Joe's, if I may quote Phil Fulmer.  Sometimes stability can turn into complacency, which I worry about with this team sometimes, but after the past decade or more, this organization needs stability more than anything, so at this point, I'm behind Dusty.  If they don't win it after this contract is up, then they need someone to come in who will challenge these guys a little more.  

At the end of the day, winning championships in baseball is about pitching and defense.  Prolonged winning over multiple years is even more about stable pitching and defense.  The Reds have that now, which is ultimately why I've allowed myself to come around on Dusty.  You either have pitching and defense or you don't.  If the Reds stay healthy, one has to think at some point in the next 5 years the ball will bounce their way regardless of the manager.

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2/4/2013 9:31:05 AM #

RedFaced

BTW, we had an emu running around town this weekend and everyone locally was posting pictures and talking about it on Facebook.  Just in case those who saw my Facebook post thought I had been drinking a bit too much or perhaps cutting Gene's weeds in the winter.

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2/4/2013 10:13:40 AM #

btalbert25

Did the Turtle man come catch him???? As a resident of Kentucky, I'm sure proud they put him on TV for the world to see lol.  I only mention that because there was an episode where a guy had an emu get loose and he caught it, but it tore him up.

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2/4/2013 10:19:43 AM #

RedFaced

someone posted that someone shot the emu.  Not sure if that's true or not.  Turtle man should have been called in for sure.  He did a guest appearance locally on the main radio station morning show a couple of years ago and everyone went ape-shat over him.  

There are times when I think heavily about moving out of state - perhaps Gene needs some company in West Virginia?  Actually too cold there for me, I need to move further south.  

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2/4/2013 10:43:54 AM #

Champ Summers

Well we fit the warmer part but not the less crazy part. We make sure to have at least one story per 6 months that will keep Nancy Grace busy for a lengthy period.

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2/4/2013 10:45:59 AM #

RedFaced

I guess crazy knows no bounds unfortunately.

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2/4/2013 5:03:35 PM #

Amy

For some reason, "crazy knows no bounds" struck me as really funny. Of course, it's been snowing for a YEAR now, so I might be clinically insane and you should all possibly discount everything I say until baseball season.

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2/4/2013 5:55:51 PM #

Mary

it is down to single digit days until pitchers and catchers report--you can survive!

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2/4/2013 7:43:21 PM #

DocProc

I'm on life support about now.

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2/4/2013 12:21:19 PM #

btalbert25

I watched about 10 minutes of the Puppy Bowl last night and Turtleman made a cameo.  He seems like a heck of a nice guy really.  It just drives me nuts that they make a point to show him getting a bath in barrels in his yard!!!!!

I was visiting a friend in California one summer.  She was from Kansas and I worked for an airline so I flew to Kansas City to meet her sister at the airport then flew with her to San Diego.  ANYWAY, a commercial came on, showing this shy girl who just moved to California, she goes out to some big Hollywood party and it says, THEN IT HITS YOU, YOU AREN'T IN KANSAS ANYMORE.  She said that really makes me mad!  They always talk about Kansas like that.  I said UMMMM I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, I LIVE IN KENTUCKY!!!!!!!!

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2/5/2013 1:13:10 PM #

Champ Summers

Heard an interview with Jewel today(sexiest woman alive) and it reminded me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmv1VhrtYRo

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2/4/2013 6:45:35 PM #

SDDennis

Speaking of San Diego... hi!

I'd definitely be up for doing the Opening Day starter again! That's good fun right there. Thanks!

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2/4/2013 7:05:01 PM #

Mary

YAYAYAYAYA!!

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2/4/2013 7:42:59 PM #

DocProc

What the squirrel said!

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2/4/2013 8:51:57 PM #

Statmom



Required reading!!!

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2/4/2013 8:43:14 PM #

Mary

mlb.sbnation.com/.../mlb-catcher-rankings-ryan-hanigan-underrated-ben-zobrist-alex-gordon

Interesting that Bill James really likes Ryan Hanigan:



   Kenny: "Bit of a surprise here, Bill. You throw this right out at us: Ryan Hanigan of the Cincinnati Reds. Why Hanigan?"

    James: "With Ben Zobrist, those two are the most underrated players in baseball. I mean, Hanigan's on-base percentage is not only good, it's very, very good. He's hit .260, .270 or better every year of his career. He walks a lot. He throws extremely well. The Cincinnati Reds' ERA with Hanigan catching last year was 3.04; when he wasn't catching, it was up around 3.8. Maybe Ben Zobrist is the most underrated player in baseball, but Ryan Hanigan may be the most underrated player in baseball."

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2/4/2013 8:45:22 PM #

Mary

but Rob Neyer apparently does not

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2/5/2013 9:53:42 AM #

River Otter

I trust Bill James more than Neyer  Smile

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2/4/2013 11:02:21 PM #

Champ Summers

Finally all the tix are here for ST. In less than 6 weeks Ill be eating NYPD and  drinking PBR.

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2/5/2013 12:19:18 AM #

Amy

I got desperate today when it snowed...AGAIN...and counted days. Under 40!!

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2/4/2013 11:42:11 PM #

RedFaced

Amy, I shall endeavor to work in the phrase, "crazy knows no bounds" on occasion this season.

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2/5/2013 12:18:37 AM #

Amy

Thank you very much. Smile

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2/4/2013 11:43:33 PM #

RedFaced

So when do we get started on our prediction list for 2013?   Was this the brain child of Amy last year?  Should we consider adding any new items this year?  

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2/5/2013 12:10:14 AM #

Champ Summers

Soon

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2/5/2013 12:18:21 AM #

Amy

Yessssss, we really need to do that again!! Maybe we can pick something up in Goodyear for the prize.

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2/5/2013 12:14:49 AM #

Champ Summers

Closest to the pin date of Chapmans first start.

Will he end up in the rotation or back to the pen.

Who plays more games in CF? Choo, Bruce, Hamilton or other

Date of Hamiltons ML debut

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2/5/2013 12:20:41 AM #

Amy

All good ones. Will have to check out last season's list and see what needs updating.

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2/5/2013 1:03:24 AM #

RedFaced

Kind of ironic that we can keep the one concerning where Chapman will end the season for another year.  As in will he end the year in the bullpen or the rotation.

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2/5/2013 1:13:32 PM #

Champ Summers

Heard an interview with Jewel today(sexiest woman alive) and it reminded me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmv1VhrtYRo

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2/5/2013 2:08:41 PM #

vjwace

Read online that the Cardinals are holding a press conference later today, possibly about Chris Carptenter's future. STL writer says news will be 'no bueno'.....

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2/5/2013 2:22:35 PM #

Champ Summers

Miklasz and Goold discussed the press conference and that it will concern Carp but I didn't see the No Bueno part.

That said when was the last press conference about a vet player's future ever a real positive. I don't think they were counting on him too much anyway.

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2/5/2013 2:11:44 PM #

Champ Summers

Keith Law puts 4 Reds in his top 100 prospects. Hamilton was highest at 30 and Robert Stephenson got in the top 50. Corcino and Cingrani were in the bottom half but Law was very complementary of each prospect. He's not usually this nice with red's prospects.

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2/5/2013 2:15:51 PM #

Champ Summers

Tim Sullivan on Riggleman

www.courier-journal.com/.../Tim-Sullivan-New-Bats-manager-knows-his-priorities|newswell|text|Sports|p&nclick_check=1

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2/5/2013 2:35:19 PM #

Champ Summers

Maybe Schoenfield should have waited a couple hours to put this out.

espn.go.com/.../offseason-report-card-cardinals

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2/5/2013 2:35:58 PM #

Champ Summers

Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon

Cards GM Mozeliak announces re: Carpenter that "it's unlikely that he's going to pitch for us in the 2013 season." #reds

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2/5/2013 2:39:12 PM #

RedFaced

Carpenter injured it appears.  Won't be ready for season.  Can't tell if he's retiring or not yet.  Got to the press conference link about 10 mins into it.  

He's fighting a number of injuries.

mlb.mlb.com/.../play.jsp



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2/5/2013 2:41:13 PM #

RedFaced

Not retiring.  Carp is not part of press conference but really sounds like he's in bad shape and although they are not saying he won't be back it sure sounds like he won't be back.  They have even stated he won't be back for 2013.  

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2/5/2013 2:42:39 PM #

RedFaced

My guess is Carp has not taken the necessary time to decide if he's going to retire yet and that's why he's not part of the press conference.  Being the last year of his contract I'm going to speculate that he retires sometime during the season and never pitches again.  

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2/5/2013 2:42:59 PM #

Champ Summers

So it's Wainright, Lynn, Garcia(with some issues as well), Westbrook(who is below avg) and some combo of Shelby Miller, Joe Kelly and Trevor Rosenthal...They will be OK at times but there's not a lot of room for error with this group.

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2/5/2013 3:21:10 PM #

RedFaced

Oh I agree 100%.  I expect Wainright to have a decent year but he may fizzle late because of prior missed time and injury.

They will greatly miss a healthy Carp and as AAT has been saying Lohse as well.  

The WLB's rode Carp and Garcia hard on the way to the World Series, they are still paying the price it seems.  

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2/5/2013 3:08:31 PM #

AshlandATeam

I'm trying really, really hard not to be really excited right now.

It isn't working.

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2/5/2013 3:22:32 PM #

RedFaced

Two things come to mind:

#1 if Carp never pitches again I'm sure it will somehow be the result of something Johnny Cueto did.

#2 How will Carp explain this to his kids?

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2/5/2013 3:32:53 PM #

Mary

+100000000

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2/5/2013 3:24:01 PM #

River Otter

Sucks about Carpenter.  I'd much rather have the Reds win the division with Carp in the rotation.

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2/5/2013 3:27:07 PM #

River Otter

Although this made me laugh:

MJK‏@devil_fingers

Will Chris Carpenter's injury keep him from fulfilling his duties as Head Douchebag in Charge of Unwritten Rule Enforcement and Invention?

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2/5/2013 3:28:25 PM #

Champ Summers

I was thinking that early on but that feeling is waning.

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2/5/2013 3:26:19 PM #

RedFaced

Brandon Webb officially retired I hear.  

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2/5/2013 3:27:28 PM #

RedFaced

"By announcing his retirement, Carpenter would have to forfeit his $12.5MM salary, something he's not likely to do."


Read more at www.mlbtraderumors.com/.../...iss-2013-season.html

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2/5/2013 3:31:25 PM #

AshlandATeam

Look, I don't want anyone to be hurt. I really don't.

But

Carpenter's a massive douchebag, perhaps the biggest in all of baseball. Also, he's a borderline HOFer who's set his grandchildren up for life financially. He'll be fine without going for his third ring this year.

I feel like an ass for being so happy, but the Reds 2013 prognosis just got better. I can't help it.

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2/5/2013 3:45:21 PM #

River Otter

Part of me is excited that the Reds path to the division probably just got a little easier.  However, he's such a jackass that I would take more enjoyment from winning the division while Carp made 30 starts for the Cards. But that's just me.  In fact, it may be unhealthy that I feel that way.

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2/5/2013 3:33:03 PM #

AshlandATeam

Also, like RF mentioned, the original injury was a function of riding him so hard in 2011, and this injury is, potentially, a function of coming back too soon last year in September.

This is, largely, his/the Cardinals' fault. I'm not saying that I wouldn't want the Reds to do the same (flags fly forever, after all), but that helps me not feel so guilty.

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2/5/2013 4:27:55 PM #

bjsReds1

Yep, it's part of sports too bad so sad.  I know it's hard for these guys.  From a competition standpoint I feel sympathy for them.  From a life standpoint, though, absolutely none.  They make more in a season than I'll make in a lifetime for doing work that matters infinitely more than baseball.  

Carp's had a great career.  His time was nearing an end regardless.  Plus he's the biggest jerk in baseball.  If he was a decent person that really cared about his team, he'd do the right thing and negotiate a contract settlement and save his team some money - then retire.  Glad he's such a jerk to make the Cards spend every penny of his contract for nothing.  Time for that team to pass the torch to the Reds for a while.

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2/5/2013 7:28:54 PM #

Amy

Braun linked to the Biogenesis clinic/PED use. MLB investigating, per Jeff Passan.

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2/5/2013 7:37:52 PM #

AshlandATeam

Shocking. No really - I'm floored.

Somehow, though, I'm sure that this is the fault of the postal service.

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2/5/2013 8:17:46 PM #

Amy

Such a cheaterpants. I've already (cynically) decided he'll get out of this, too.

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2/5/2013 8:28:47 PM #

Mary

From a quick read of that article, I would say that future draftees from the Univ. of Miami are going to be coming under a lot of PED scrutiny.  Grandal was traded JIT. Haven't heard anything about Alonso from Miami, but it has to tar a lot of others from that program if the lists are any indication.

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2/5/2013 9:05:50 PM #

Champ Summers

I can only hope one other UM alumn is on that list....Jon Jay

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2/5/2013 9:08:03 PM #

Champ Summers

Another NL central player was at UM during the Braun years...GOBBY Sanchez. If he's on PED he must be taking them wrong.

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2/5/2013 9:17:32 PM #

DocProc

I laughed twice at that one, Champ.

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2/5/2013 10:14:39 PM #

Champ Summers

I'm here all year. I liked the better call Saul better but I guess you need to be into Breaking Bad

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2/5/2013 10:17:21 PM #

River Otter

It got a hearty chuckle from me as well

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2/5/2013 9:29:25 PM #

btalbert25

So.......Carp "doesn't retire" and Braun is being investigated for PED use.  I'm not going to jynx anything but I like the idea of who the Cards have pitching this year and a Braun-less Brewers.

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2/5/2013 9:33:34 PM #

DocProc

All while we add Shin Soo Choo.  

I like our chances.

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2/5/2013 9:29:55 PM #

Champ Summers

Sounds like the Brauns attorney already has a slick excuse.

Better call Saul

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2/5/2013 10:05:17 PM #

River Otter

I wonder if they debated using that excuse:  "The downside is that we look like complete asses for retaining the fake doctor as an expert."

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2/5/2013 10:11:52 PM #

Champ Summers

You don't get suspended for looking like a dumbass. It's better than a suspension I guess.

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2/5/2013 10:15:36 PM #

River Otter

Absolutely.  I just find it funny that they supposedly retained the PED fake doctor as an expert.  I'll be interested to see if any additional records regarding Braun come to light.

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2/5/2013 11:30:10 PM #

Champ Summers

Watching Justified and the first commercial break had commercials for Makers Mark and KFC. That's a lot of Kentucky.

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2/5/2013 11:47:18 PM #

RedFaced

It's justified.

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2/6/2013 12:11:01 AM #

Champ Summers

The hill people were out tonight. Kentucky show, Kentucky bourbon and Kentucky chicken. No meth heads tonight but a few hookers.

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2/5/2013 11:48:24 PM #

RedFaced

Braun is a cheater, Braun is a cheater.  

Oh and I didn't realize Barry Larkin's son plays basketball for Miami U.  

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2/6/2013 8:58:19 AM #

Champ Summers

Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon

One year, $3.06 million contract for Leake and #reds http://bit.ly/XnQmSY

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2/6/2013 10:21:56 AM #

DocProc

Sounds like they met halfway.  Hope they do that with Choo, too.

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2/6/2013 9:07:43 AM #

Champ Summers

Shin-Soo Choo, Homer Bailey and Mat Latos are the final three Reds up for arbitration.

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2/6/2013 9:50:47 AM #

River Otter

Hopefully they'll get deals done with Bailey and Latos.  Any idea when their arb hearings are scheduled?

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2/6/2013 10:03:29 AM #

Champ Summers

Looks like hearings could take place now until the 20th

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2/6/2013 10:18:59 AM #

DocProc

Latos' hearing is scheduled for Monday.  Again, I sure hope they settle before then--those things can get ugly.

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2/6/2013 10:26:02 AM #

Champ Summers

Latos and Bailey are both a-holes so I expect it to go to the hearing.

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2/6/2013 10:52:21 AM #

btalbert25

Bailey wants out of here.  He'll get what  he can while he can then take off.  Can't fault players for wanting to.  Both Bailey and Latos stand to make quite a raise.

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2/6/2013 11:12:35 AM #

Champ Summers

Can't argue with you.

BTW, your pic here always looks like Dennis Haysbert leaning on a black panther at a quick glance.

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2/6/2013 11:47:57 AM #

bjsReds1

LOL.  Agree with your assessment of his pic

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2/6/2013 12:36:23 PM #

Champ Summers

sorry about the Vonn Bell thing

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2/6/2013 12:42:32 PM #

btalbert25

I was going to ask you how you were doing about Bell Beej, but I didn't want it to seem like I was gloating, I'm totally not.  I went over to volnation just to look at some of the comments and they were coming unhinged pretty bad.

Fans are nuts, people talking about Butch Jones not able to recruit in the SEC because he missed out on Bell.  He did some good work with such little time to work.

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2/6/2013 1:07:36 PM #

bjsReds1

It's disappointing, sure, but really Tennessee had an uphill battle the whole time.  I think it may be 5 years before we quit hearing about what an utter incompetent fool Derek Dooley was.  Who can blame Bell really?  Sure I can't stand Urban, but the fact is that Urban wins football games as much as any coach in the country, including Saban.  So would you rather play in that environment or in a complete unknown.

Plus, Bell is just one player.  Tennessee needs far more than just him.  Butch did a fine job for this first class.  Next year we'll know more, especially since there are tons of legacies in that class including Eric Berry's younger twin brothers, Bill Bates son, Todd Kelly's son, etc. that are all very highly rated.  

Bell would have been huge and is disappointing, but Tennessee needs defensive lineman right now.  I'm convinced this team would win 9 games in any other conference in the country, but not in the SEC.  The Vols need a pass rush and to stop the run or they can forget it.  They should be ok at it next year, but then lose their whole DL basically.  Whether or not Butch is successful at TN will depend on his ability to bring in elite DLinemen and linebackers.  That is also my biggest question mark with him because he brought Jancek with him.  IMO, he is the weak link so we'll see.  

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2/6/2013 1:14:43 PM #

bjsReds1

The only thing I don't like that ticked me off was that someone leaked this morning that TN had Bell.  Bruce Feldman and several others reported it.  Then TN's local Rivals guy started setting folks up for disappointment about 30 minutes before the announcement.  I don't know who leaked the info to Feldman, but someone was trying to make TN look bad.  Normally I don't care about that stuff, but TN is down right now, they don't need that.  I will say I doubt it was OSU because I know Urban and Butch are friends.  At the end of the day, I think Bell still felt betrayed by Tennessee not coming after him before when he wanted to be a Vol so badly. Can't say I blame him.  As big a fan as I am, some of the things I feel about that school right now I'd probably give them the middle finger myself.

Enough of that now.  It's time for baseball and the Reds are going to be special.  Plus, I just found out that Megabus now has a route from Knoxville to Cincinnati so I can effectively come to a game cheaply without driving.

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2/6/2013 2:13:32 PM #

btalbert25

I think honestly think all that speculation started last night with that picture that got Tweeted by Butch Jones.  It seemed pretty clear to me it was about the QB and not Vonn, but when that popped up the Ohio State blogs were going nuts last night.  Plus Vonn's brother has been kind of a tool during recruiting and it wouldn't surprise me if he "leaked" it to someone in the media.  

Feldman is a tool, he ran with it just to piss off Ohio State fans.  He HATES Ohio State.  I was really surprised Tennessee came on so strong at the end for Bell though.  He ruled Bama out a while ago.

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2/6/2013 2:23:05 PM #

bjsReds1

Kid has been a UT fan his entire life, that's what sucks the most from a Tennessee standpoint.  Dooley is such a fraud it's not even funny.  Then the icing on the cake was this morning Dooley apparently said on ESPNU as an analyst that there's nothing coaches can do in the last 48 hours.  

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2/6/2013 2:27:14 PM #

btalbert25

Yeah, Urban Meyer definitely disagrees. He Flipped an Oregon recruit the other day, then a Clemson recruit who was a "lock" for Florida today.  

I obviously wanted him on our team, but I would of been ok if he ended up in Tennessee.  I just didn't want Saban getting him.  Although, I knew Bama was out of it when the report came out that Bama said he wasn't physical enough for Safety.  They knew they weren't getting him, and wanted to make it look like they weren't that interested.

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2/6/2013 1:10:37 PM #

AshlandATeam

The Leake contract is interesting, if for no other reason than I cannot imagine the Reds are planning on paying a guy $3 million to be a placeholder/guy waiting in the wings at AAA. It's also hard to imagine they'd pay a guy $3 million to be a long guy out of the bullpen who only pitches in blowouts (especially given the fact that last year the vast majority of those type of games were when Leake started, not other guys).

So... what's the plan for Leake? Assuming that Chapman works out, he's pretty much a waste of $3 mil. And even if Chapman doesn't, I'd have to imagine he'd still get 10ish starts before they determined that he wasn't working out; is giving Cingrani the other 20ish starts really that big of a downgrade from Leake?

Am I crazy to think that Leake still may be traded?

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2/6/2013 1:16:14 PM #

DocProc

I definitely think he's trade bait.

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2/6/2013 1:18:00 PM #

bjsReds1

If the Reds rotation goes injury free again this year, then Bryan Price may be divine.  Leake will get plenty work this year regardless.  My guess is he'll go back and forth from the rotation to the bullpen depending on Chapman and other injuries.  The Reds potentially have some nice rotation depth built up this year.

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2/6/2013 1:49:53 PM #

AshlandATeam

You know what I hate about baseball? This article could NEVER be written about a modern day baseball player.

www.grantland.com/.../kevin-durant-having-one-greatest-offensive-seasons-nba-history

In it, Kevin Durant - at 24 - is called 'one of the greatest of all time.' Is he? I dunno - I don't want much NBA, and when I do, it's usually not OKC.

But just the fact that the NBA doesn't so romanticize the past that they can actually enjoy players today is really awesome. And totally impossible in baseball.

How many Reds fans believe that Joey Votto is - already - as good as Bench, Morgan, Rose or Perez? How many people STILL don't think Larkin was as good as Concepcion?

Going larger, look at this year's HOF vote. PEDs or no, Craig Biggio isn't a first ballot guy? Mike Piazza? Curt Schilling?

I've said all this before. But man - it doesn't have to be like this. And I'm honestly concerned for baseball's future. Why does a 10 year old kid, today, want to watch baseball players and fall in love with the game when they're told - constantly and unequivocally - that the best players are all either dead or thirty years removed from the game? Why watch then?

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2/6/2013 2:24:46 PM #

btalbert25

I agree to a point.  I mean when I talk to my dad or even when I talk to people my grandparent's age, they all say today's players aren't like they used to be.  When I was a kid the players were so much better, THEY DIDN"T HAVE A 3 POINT LINE!!!!!!

One thing with today's sports media is they always want everything recent to be the greatest ever.  Lebron is the greatest ever, the Patriots were the best ever, this super was the best game ever.  I do think we see it in baseball too.  They talk about A-Rod being the best player ever.  

I really think the HOF is the one exception here.  The baseball HOF has some pretty ridiculous voters, but honestly, it's the only HOF anyone even cares about.  No one cares about the NFL HOF and their 13 inductees per year mandatory classes.  The Basetball HOF inducts people who are still in the sport.

I don't worry so much about it really.  Cincinnati is a hard town to gauge it by because we probably are the most negative group about our stars in the business, but in St Louis they were talking like Pujols was the best player since Stan the Man.  Jr drew comparisons with Willie Mays from a time very early in his career. The other problem with Cincinnati is everyone will always be compared to the players from the Big Red Machine.  No one will ever hustle more than Pete Rose.  No Catcher will ever be better than Johnny Bench(though few in the game ever have) and on and on.  That group is just tough to overcome.  Of course 3 of them are in the HOF and one will be sometime.  

Baseball is just tough because it sparks a lot of emotion in people.  It's human nature that things from "my day" are better than today's world.

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2/6/2013 2:28:52 PM #

bjsReds1

I don't think they do.  Baseball has a real problem with the youngest generations in terms of wanting to watch and play the game.  It's just not as exciting as football or basketball.  Of course there are still plenty of kids out there like we all were, it's just that it's not a very diverse group.  

The one good thing is that parents want their kids to play t-ball or baseball lots of times.  All the problems football is having with head injuries is helping baseball too.  Parents don't want their kids playing football as much anymore.  I'm one of them.  Unfortunately my son has no fear.  He's very rough and loves to tackle at 5 years old.  I really think he has a natural instinct for football but he's on the small side and is a huge injury risk the way he throws his head around.  I'm going to have a real decision on my hands in a few years.  I'm coaching him in baseball, but knowing his personality, I may have a hard time keeping him in baseball.

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2/6/2013 2:43:53 PM #

btalbert25

I think Baseball's biggest problem is it became an elitist sport.  I grew up playing knothole, when we were in higschool and middle school we played 16 games plus a tournament if we made it that far.  You could do traveling knothole too and it was 10 games and we played around the 275 loop.  Teams had sponsors so uniforms were usually covered and parents may have to pay 50 bucks for the season or something like that that, it wasn't that much really though.  Of course I needed a glove and bat, but I used the same ones for years once I got to about 12 years old or so and stopped growing.

Now kids play on these teams where they play 70 games per summer and have 3 different uniforms, with their own bat bags and jackets and just the sheer volume of time and money that goes into playing in a normal kids league now is through the roof.  Knothole is obsolete, and unless you are really good, if you don't play for these teams you won't end up on a high school team.  The politics of it all, high school coaches know which kids play for these big teams too.  So if you play on a knothole team 20 games per summer, no one knows who you are come high school tryouts.  You have to be really good to make it.  

I came into high school right on the tail end of all that.  I tried out as an 8th grader with some classmates and I played for a bad knothole team.  EVERYONE else who made the team as an 8th grader played on 2 different summer teams.  In high school, no matter how good they were, all the kids who played on 1 summer team were starters.  It was kind of a joke, almost like our high school games were practice for them so they could make a nice run in AABC nationals in the summer.

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2/6/2013 4:04:48 PM #

bjsReds1

I know exactly what you are talking about.  I had a similar type experience.  Politics are huge and many times the kids whose parents have the money get first crack.  Still, though, if a kid is good enough he'll be fine regardless.

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2/6/2013 5:20:17 PM #

btalbert25

I was lucky really.  I went to a catholic school. Politics are awful.  So I came from a bad summer program, my family wasn't rich, and I refused to let me dad come to tryouts and practices and kiss ass lol.  I made it, and hung in there for 4 years, but no matter how good I played when I got my chances, my chances were few and far between.  

Baseball was the love of my life and because all my hardwork and good play on the field was all for nothing I quit my senior year.  It broke my heart, but I couldn't stand to through another year of it.  My Junior year we played this team from the Indiana side of Louisville.  They were beating us 9-0, they had a pitcher who was whiffing all our guys.  About the 6th inning the coach put in 5 of us who were routinely on the bench and we put up 6 runs that inning.  So we lost 9-6 instead of getting embarrassed.  It didn't give any of us any more playing time though.  Some of the guys who played routinely asked how we put up with it and still stayed positive.  I said it's harder than you ever could imagine.  

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2/6/2013 9:27:29 PM #

Statmom


I have a 10th grader who plays High School baseball. About 1/3 of his high school team plays travel ball in the summer.  My son is one of the summer travel team players.  He plays for a travel team because that is where the best competition is found. And, the best way to get better is to play at the very highest level of which you are capable.  I see it in soccer and basketball, too. (I don't know about football.) The cost is high in terms of time and money, so it is quite a committment.  So far, though, we have all enjoyed it as a family.

The school does have a summer team, but the coaching is pretty laid back and the level of competition is pretty low. If, however, the level of competition were better, my son would consider playing for the school summer team.

I remember the days when a good athlete could play two or three high school sports just based upon his/her athleticism.  Nowdays, kids specialize so much, you have to play at a pretty elite level to make the team and get playing time.  This is troubling because not all the kids with potential have the same opportunity/access to travel teams, private lessons, etc.  I don't know what the answer is.  

When my son was young I just hoped he would find some activity in high school he enjoyed which would keep him fit and busy.  I am glad he chose baseball because that is my favorite sport.  While he would like to play in college,I am not holding my breath. I am trying to keep the focus on academics and if baseball works out at some level, so be it.

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2/6/2013 10:49:44 PM #

btalbert25

I'm not anti kids playing travel baseball or parents for putting their kids in there.  I mostly made the comment to say baseball is becoming quite elitist and it's not a reality for a great diversity of kids to play youth baseball anymore.  It's getting like Hockey or Lacrosse where a very specific demographic can play the game.

The rest of the stuff was all politics stuff that at 15 I just didn't understand.  When the summer team coach donates a ton of money to build the new field, his whole team is going to get to play all the time, whether it's good for the team or not.  When another kid's parents donate a ton of money to the school, it doesn't matter who is better or worse, that kid is going to play.  I learned that the hard way.
  
Anyway, the shrinking demographic to me is the most troubling thing about the future of baseball.  People in my generation will have their kids in other sports like Soccer.  Each generation after it'll keep being a smaller and smaller pool.  There is hope with grass roots stuff like RBI and programs like the Reds Community Fund.  Hopefully they'll gain some traction and make baseball a big deal to kids again.

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2/8/2013 6:11:28 AM #

timmytwoshoezzz

Parents having money and putting their kids in an expensive traveling program doesn't make them elitist

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2/8/2013 8:06:24 AM #

Statmom



With respect to baseball in my area, it seems like the schools in the suburbs/around the outerbelt are the schools with players who play travel ball, while the schools in the city/inside the outerbelt have players who, for the most part, do not play travel ball in the summer.  The skills of the players on the suburban teams far exceed the skills of the players on the city teams in most cases.  Watching the games, I felt bad because while the talent/potential of the players may have been equal, access to opportunities to improve players' skills was probably not at all equal.  This is where the "RBI type" programs will be helpful.  I am not aware of any such programs in my area, but maybe we should be exploring ways to make them happen.

I do not see this same thing happening with football or basketball, though.  Thoughts?

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2/8/2013 9:43:18 AM #

btalbert25

Honestly, baseball is tough.  There are so many mechanical processes that have to be followed.  If you aren't coached up, just being physically gifted isn't enough.

In football, if you can run a 4.4, 40, you're going to play somewhere.  In basketball if you are 6'8" and can jump, you'll get to play for most high school teams and have a decent shot at sticking somewhere in college.  Those sports being physically gifted you can just show up and play.  You always need coaching in all sports, but in baseball one little glitch in your swing and you can go 0-30.  If you don't follow mechanics while pitching, you can get destroyed by hitters, walk guys like crazy, and even blow out a shoulder or elbow.

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2/8/2013 9:45:49 AM #

btalbert25

Timmy, maybe elitist was the wrong word.  I was just trying to say, youth baseball is trending toward only a specific demographic having the ability to play it.  Statmom alluded to it in her last post about where the best players and teams come from.  It's just an observation I've made over the years.  That's why I say it's getting more like hockey and Lacrosse.  There are specific demographics who play those games at the youth level here in the US.  It's trending that way for baseball.  That's all I meant.  

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2/8/2013 12:20:24 PM #

Statmom



And, it's sorta sad.

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2/8/2013 1:16:04 PM #

Dawginnaples

I'd like to throw the BS card right here. Ask Torre what elite traveling team he played for. The Dimaggio brothers learned baseball playing stickball in the streets. Every high school around here and around my previous residence has a baseball team. My cousin played college ball and attended several professional camps after playing at Roger Bacon and Corpus Christi Knothole. Not exactly elitist hotbeds. If you show an interest and a hint of potential, you can find a place to develop your skillset and gain experience until somebody else comes along and recruits you to the next level. At TCYO I coached young kids who were paying $35.00 a year to play. I'll agree the opportunities aren't equal but nearly anyone who wants to play can and if you show a little game your opportunities increase by the same factor.
  

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2/8/2013 2:01:50 PM #

btalbert25

Dog, Dimaggio and Torre played in a completely different era than today.  That's when baseball was played by practically EVERY kid in America. I played in the 80's and 90's and that's kind of when things started changing.  I played knothole, and had plenty of opportunity.

There are a couple of problems right now today with youth baseball.  1) Leagues like Knothole don't have nearly the amount of kids playing as they used to.  NKY used to have several districts, now Boone and Dixie Knothole(2 big districts) as well as others are all under the same district.  What's left are kids whose parents can't afford or don't know about the other leagues yet.

That means there's less talent in a league like knothole, and less talented coaching in those leagues.  It's completely different now, than it was in 98 when I was playing. There is a specific demographic that by and large has the majority of baseball players.  Are there kids that make it from other leagues?  OF COURSE, but that diversity has shrunk in just 20 years and continues to shrink more each year.

The 2nd problem is, the high school coaches know who plays in those travel leagues.  Sometimes the coaches from those leagues are the high school coaches.  So they pick kids who they are familiar with.  If you are from outside one of those teams, you really have to be exceptionally good.

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2/8/2013 2:12:47 PM #

Champ Summers

Dawg is a little out of tough with that answer. My job puts me in contact with these travel ball guys all year long. Unless you are an elite talent you can't afford to not play all year. The cost to do this is out of this world. the time commitment is out of this world.

My son will not be involved. Its a joke. He's not going to play past HS based on his skill set so why push him into a full time job at 9.

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2/6/2013 11:56:58 PM #

RedFaced

So according to rivals.com UK's football recruiting class is good enough for 27th in the nation.  That gives them the 12th best recruiting class in the SEC.  

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2/7/2013 10:22:06 AM #

btalbert25

Ryan Timmons will be a very good player for UK.  He had a conditional offer to Ohio State but they got the flip from Oregon and the kid from Florida at the last minute and Ohio State didn't have a scholarship for him anymore.  He's a 3 star recruit, but he didn't do a full camp circuit in the summer and he I think he gets dinged for playing against Kentucky high school competition.  If he would of played for a school like Trinity instead of Franklin County he would of been a top 100 recruit.

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