02-20-12 Pitchers and Catchers are here Guys - Time for your BOLD PREDICTIONS!

by RedFaced 20. February 2012 14:33

Well we are over 450 posts on the old thread so I decided we needed a new one.

 

First off please continue to share you most memorable sports moments on this thread. It's been very good conversation and I enjoy being reminded of some that I had forgotten or hearing of some that I did not get to experience. 

 

Secondly, I thought it might be fun for us to come up with some bold predictions for the upcoming season before Spring Training officially starts.  We can then update those predictions once the Spring wraps up and the season is about to start.

 

Feel free to make as many bold predictions as you want, I believe I'm going to start off with one Bold Prediction only.  I think it's a bold prediction only because a lot of people have given up on this guy, they think he's a head case (ok so perhaps he is a bit of a head case) and that he'll never meet his potential.  I see where most want to trade the guy or expect him to be the odd man out of the rotation should Chapman push for a spot or the Reds sign Oswalt.  Yes I'm talking about Homer Bailey.  Batsfan would laugh at me and I'd be able to hear it all the way from Louisville (just about 40 miles away btw) but I think 2012 will be the year of Homer Bailey.  I believe Homer has by far his best year ever, does not see the DL once, throws about 186IP this year with a 3.52 ERA and 15 wins. 

 

Homer made great strides last year in WHIP and SO/BB but he still had enough bad outings here and there (mostly from one bad inning of work) that his overall wins and ERA didn't reflect those improvements.  He's two full seasons removed from the over-worked year of 2009 when Homer threw 202IP combined in AAA and for the Reds, I believe that heavy load set him back in 2010 and 2011 with minor arm issues.  He's learned how to pitch in that time and I am predicting he finally puts it all together this year. 

 

I'll throw in a link to this article for additional reference:  http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Albert-Pujols-on-Homer-Bailey-He-s-going-to-be?urn=fantasy-241119

 

That's my Bold Prediction.  What's yours?

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Comments (516) -

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/20/2012 3:19:42 PM #

My bold prediction is, that the Reds win this division by more than 5 games. I don't believe Cardinals are going to be that good this year and the division is going to be less competitive than many here and elsewhere are predicting. Maybe I'm setting myself up for disappointment but I just don't see it.  I still think Milwaukee will be the toughest competition but if they do lose Braun for 50 games, they'll struggle.  Losing Prince and missing the MVP for the first 50 games will put them behind the 8 ball.  

DocProc
DocProc
2/20/2012 3:33:47 PM #

Okay, here's my bold prediction (which I think I made a few weeks ago):  I predict that Ryan Ludwick is going to have a big year.  I think he's going to love playing in this park and that Dusty is going to give him all benefits of the doubts and play him a lot.  If Rolen goes down with injury, I think we could even see Ludwick as the right-handed bat between Votto and Bruce.  I see him having the kind of year Gomes had two years ago--but hopefully without the flameout.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/20/2012 4:32:34 PM #

I'm with you talbert on the Reds winning the division, on the state of the Cards and the Brewers.  I really feel that a LOT of things went right for the Cards just to slip into the playoffs last year.  I don't see it happening again especially having lost Albert, LaGenius and Duncan.  If so I'll tip my hat to them if they are able to do it again.  I just don't see it happening.  

Doc - I could certainly see your prediction coming true.  I like Heisey but the bottom line is I just want someone to earn the playing time in LF, if it's Ludwick than so be it.  Heisey can give Drew a few more off days to work on his bunting.  

Mary
Mary
2/20/2012 4:44:31 PM #

I predict that the Reds have their first 20 game winner in many, many years--and it will be Johnny Cueto

DocProc
DocProc
2/20/2012 4:46:12 PM #

I like the sound of that, Mary--and I agree.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/20/2012 4:49:38 PM #

Mary, I'm going to one up you and say I think The Reds have 2, 20 game winners.  I think the 1-2 punch of the Reds rotation will be the best top of the rotation no one will talk about next year lol.  Put those 2 on a team like the Cubs and they'll be all the rage of the MLB next year, since they are on the Reds they'll be tearing it up and get no respect lol.

genewv
genewv
2/20/2012 4:54:47 PM #

First, I want to thank everyone for sharing your best sports moments ever. I started the darn thing, then have been so busy the last couple days all I could do was tune in every now and then and read what you had to say.

Like RF,  I have really enjoyed the reads, revival of great moments.


On Bailey, I predict a super year for him. How is that for bold. I think this is the year he really pays off for us.

On Chapman, let the kid mature a little down in Louisville. All SP won't stay healthy the whole year. he will get his chances.

I also agree Ludwick has that one big season left in him, and GABP is perfect for him.

More later.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 5:06:28 PM #

In a related story mixing RF's bold prediction and RPA's plug name in here to ST story. Bailey puts on 15 lbs of muscle and Bruce is in the bast shape he's been in the lat 2 years...he was getting a little pudgy looking. It impacted his D last year.

John Fay @johnfayman

Bruce is indeed here. He's 15 pounds lighter. "He mailed it to me," Bailey said. #reds

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 5:11:39 PM #

hmmm bold prediction. I think Arroyo bonces back to have a season very close to what we've expected from him in the past. He gets 200 IP and 4-ish era.

Great for a 5th starter.

I'm already in on the Homer prediction. I think he has his best year...hope he keeps that shoulder healthy.

I like what they said about his off season training. He came into camp ready to pitch 60 pitches every year. This year he came in ready to pitch at best 30. He's using ST to get ready so lets hope that keeps the shoulder in better condition further into the season.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/20/2012 5:12:39 PM #

I had not stated this previously but I really enjoyed your fill in the blank ST storylines RPA.  And yes I've chuckled as many stories have already developed with similar storylines.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 5:19:43 PM #

it could have been a starter on its own

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 6:12:04 PM #

movies.yahoo.com/.../

This is going to be horrible and fantastic all at once.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/20/2012 8:48:03 PM #

Abraham Lincoln is probably the most fascinating president we have had. I had no idea he was a vampire hunter too. That explains why Gen. McClellan and he didn't see eye to eye.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:47:29 PM #

I am actually wondering if I should get another twitter account and just start filing random "reports" from spring training.  I bet they would sound totally believable.

For instance:

Mat Latos was so excited to get started as a Red that he showed up to camp two weeks early because he wants to meet his new teammates.

Brook Jacoby says he is very impressed by the way that Drew Stubbs has obviously put in time during the offseason to work on being more selective late in the count, and it is going to mean a big improvement for him this season and he can stick with it.

Johnny Cueto is stuck in the Dominican Republic with visa problems.

Jeff Francis just feels fortunate to be in camp as a minor-league non-roster invitee after surviving a scary ice-fishing accident during the offseason.


See, these things just write themselves...

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 5:14:34 PM #

more of this...

John Fay @johnfayman

Bruce says he feels at strong as ever. "10, 15 pounds off your joints helps over the course of the season," he said.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:48:25 PM #

Edinson Volquez says "10, 15 pounds of joints helps over the course of the season."

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 5:33:36 PM #

Does Jay get paid in English currency?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 5:19:07 PM #

Fay utters some useful words finally

John Fay @johnfayman

RT @CincyGy Coming to Goodyear For First time, what is the best local Chow: Texmex?//Mex. Try Raul & Theresa's

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/20/2012 5:21:20 PM #

If Francisco needs some DL and AAA rehab time to start the season I'll gladly settle for Frazier to get his 25 man spot.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 6:12:21 PM #



movies.yahoo.com/.../

This is going to be horrible and fantastic all at once.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 6:13:06 PM #

movies.yahoo.com/.../

here is the link again. I think I might pay to see this.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:35:00 PM #

I don't know if it is possible to intentionally make a "cult' film.  They're tryin' hard, though.

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:04:13 PM #

I have to admit, I read "Pride & Prejudice & Zombies" and was, as Miss Austen might have said, diverted. It was entertaining. I haven't read this book, but will probably do so at some point. Probably before I see the movie.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/20/2012 8:49:47 PM #

Abraham Lincoln is probably the most fascinating president we have had. I had no idea he was a vampire hunter too. That explains why Gen. McClellan and he didn't see eye to eye.

genewv
genewv
2/20/2012 7:12:51 PM #

So, Francisco, the youngster we are depending to relive our oft injured veteran, is injured even before ST starts.

This is not on RPA's list, if I remember correctly.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:48:57 PM #

No.  This is on the "we should have traded this guy in 2010" list.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:29:32 PM #

Oh, what the heck.  Probably better to wait until the end of the spring for this, but what's the fun in that?

Cueto - 16-5, 3.36 ERA
Latos - 14-7, 3.51 ERA
Leake - 13-10, 4.09 ERA
Bailey - 9-9, 4.41 ERA
Arroyo - 12-11, 4.45 ERA

I am predicting that Cueto and Leake get about 30 starts, Latos and Bailey are good for 25-30, Arroyo gets 30-35 and more or less returns to "form", whatever that means.


Phillips - .305/.345/.455, 20 HR, 10 SB
Cozart - .270/.310/.420, 12 HR
Votto - .315/.420/.550, 30 HR, 100 RBI - he's going to lead the league in OBP again.  MVP candidate.
Rolen - .265/.305/.430, 12 HR in about 90-100 games.
Bruce - .240/.320/.470, 35 HR, 95 RBI - about 20 of those HR will come in a 6-week span.  He will have at least two months where he barely hits .200.
Stubbs - .230/.320/.375, 20 HR, 60 RBI, 200 K - I do not see any reason to think he will improve much.  I also think he ends up hitting leadoff while Rolen is out so Phillips can hit 4th.
Heisey - .250/.300/.475, 15 HR in about 90-100 games / Ludwick - .235/.310/.425, 15 HR in about 70-80 games.  I think GABP will be kind to him if he is used in the right situations, but at this point I still expect a lot of fly ball outs, a lot of strikeouts a well.
Hanigan - .270/.360/.360 / Mesoraco - .240/.320/.400 - I think Mesoraco gets off to a slow start and the split before the All-Star Break is about 2/3 Hanigan, 1/3 Mesoraco.  After the All Star break, he starts hitting a bit better and by the end of the year it is more like 1/2 Hanigan, 1/2 Mesoraco or even a bit more than 1/2 Mesoraco.  I would not be shocked if Mesoraco starts so slowly that he gets sent down for a little while in late April/early May.

Yeah, I think that's good enough to win the division.  Not by a lot, but good enough.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:32:13 PM #

I forgot - I also predict Willie Harris will start a few games in the outfield before the season is over.  Francisco will get traded, and the bullpen will be incredibly good (and more than a little bit lucky).

I also predict that Chapman will see a major league start before the end of the year (due to injuries) and will not pitch well.  Jeff Francis and Sam LeCure will soak up most of the extra starts, depending on how the 40 looks when the extra starter is needed.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:36:23 PM #

I also think I am being too optimistic about Cozart's line now that I think about it.  Let's call it .255/.300/.410.  I think he will show surprising gap power.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:37:18 PM #

Man.  I should remember not to leave the TV on after I watch the news.  I walked away for a while, came back and Mario Lopez is plugging an exclusive interview with Jennifer Aniston where she shares her thoughts about Whitney Houston.

I'm so tired.  So very tired.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 7:38:19 PM #

In other news, though, Al Sharpton is looking pretty good after dropping all that weight.  He says he's in the best shape of his career.

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 7:54:38 PM #

I'm pretty sure my bold prediction for last season was Janish hitting .270 and winning a Gold Glove. Yeah. I am clearly not qualified to play this predicting game.

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 8:01:33 PM #

One last piece of drivel.

Today is the 20th anniversary of something great:
deadspin.com/.../the-making-of-homer-at-the-bat-the-episode-that-conquered-prime-time-20-years-ago-tonight

"I'm afraid all of those players have retired and, uh, passed on.  In fact, your right fielder has been dead for 130 years."

genewv
genewv
2/20/2012 8:05:30 PM #

Amy,

I was in on the Janish drug as well. I still think he is much betteer than he played last year, but if you are not a bonus baby, high draft, you normally only get one chance per club--and not always that.

I don't know if we can take RPA with a lot of free time this year!

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/20/2012 8:06:47 PM #

Amy - you are more qualified than I am.  I believe my bold prediction last year was that Tim the Enchanter would be the ace of the staff.

Mary
Mary
2/20/2012 8:10:48 PM #

and I drank enough KoolAid to predict the Reds would win 97 games....

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:11:44 PM #

Okay, you're all making me feel slightly better. I'll think about it, consult my crystal ball and come up with something.

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:13:11 PM #

OOH, I know. I predict a tabloid-type scandal for one member of the Reds broadcasters. There.

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:14:44 PM #

*broadcasting team, that is. There are enough of them that it's bound to happen at some point. Why not 2012?

rpa
rpa
2/20/2012 8:15:16 PM #

Thom Brennaman caught trying to break into Oakland A's locker room to sniff Jonny Gomes' jock?

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/20/2012 8:24:33 PM #

Is that how he really broke his leg last year?

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:32:58 PM #

At first I was going to say it would be Thom, but I honestly think it could be *any* of them.

Amy
Amy
2/20/2012 8:34:56 PM #

Um, any of them that is involved in a scandal, not sniffing Gomes' jock. Although...maybe that, too.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/20/2012 8:57:24 PM #

I predict Jeff Brantley will crash his car on Mason- Montgomery Road and blame it on a massive case of brain freeze from the 8 scoop monstrosity from UDF he just devoured.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/20/2012 10:02:27 PM #

Thom Brennamen shows up dead in his hotel room and Chris Welsh is rumored to be hiding out in Mexico///maybe that was too dark.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/20/2012 11:08:40 PM #

Quite dark...I'm jealous.

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
2/20/2012 11:46:45 PM #

Bold Predictions? Some of these are pretty safe. A bold prediction would be that Juan Francisco comes into camp 30 lbs lighter and has given up his cement shoes while playing 3rd base. He will be so light on his feet that he will take away some plays from Zack Cozart in the field. His bat power will suffer only slightly because he still loves hitting beyond the seats in Right center. Strike outs are reduced, not where we want them, but OBP is elevated enough to make people begin to see that he might be a potential replacement for Scott Rolen.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/21/2012 9:02:32 AM #

So I noticed the Spring Training clock on Fay's blog states there are 44 more days until pitchers and catchers report on Feb 19th.  I'm guessing they neglected to change that to opening day or something.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 9:51:53 AM #

Saw pics of Sam LeCure. Looks like a guy in a band RPA and Amy would like.

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/21/2012 10:20:30 AM #

My bold prediction..

Dusty will get overly excited when rumors of CP23 returning to the Reds are heard, that he accidentally jams his toothpick into his gum and it becomes infected and he has to leave the  team...allowing David Bell to replace him and the angry mob will rejoice by tasing effigy of Carpenter, with Carp's son being the first one to tase the dummy  because he thought it really was his dad.

On a serious note , if the Reds have a slow start, or have an extended slump towards June or July, I can see Walt and ownership getting fed up with Dusty and firing him.

DocProc
DocProc
2/21/2012 10:22:28 AM #

I totally agree.  Anything short of making the playoffs is the end of the road for Dustbag.  Too bad I can't root for that.

DocProc
DocProc
2/21/2012 10:23:20 AM #

Although I could possibly root for a slump, a firing, and a comeback.

Mary
Mary
2/21/2012 10:40:30 AM #

  I think I'll root for a world series ring and Dusty deciding the follow LaGenius into retirement on a high note

DocProc
DocProc
2/21/2012 10:44:16 AM #

Oh, I like that idea, Mary!

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 11:59:28 AM #

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Red Sox Receive Chris Carpenter, PTBNL As Epstein Compensation bit.ly/zhuyGc #mlb

YESSSSS...oh, wait.

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 12:01:44 PM #

I didn't *really* think it was the Cards' Carpenter, but I *did* read that as Eckstein at first and was about to make scrappy jokes.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 12:12:19 PM #

I read that too and for about 3 seconds I was like WTF??? and then it all came rushing back.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 12:43:03 PM #

Mark Sheldon @m_sheldon

Not same Carpenter - RT @atepac with carpenter going to the @redsox who is the ace the reds will most fear, I use the term fear lightly.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 12:45:15 PM #

Amy...had you believed it was THE Carp you would not have been alone. You would think a little voice would appear in your head and say, that's not right???

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 1:03:55 PM #

You would think, yes.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 1:26:06 PM #

what happens if they look? drop and gimmie 20?

John Fay @johnfayman

#Reds are doing a no-look round in batting practice. You're not allowed to look at the ball after you hit it. Keeps you from pulling off.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 1:31:01 PM #

Damned good drill it seems like to me. I'm going to use it.

Probably getting ripped by Rolen,Cairo other vets that have the juice to bust the chops of guys like The Sandwich,Bruce,etc. keeps them from looking.

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/21/2012 4:40:24 PM #

Seems like Stubbs and a couple of others practiced that drill in games last year....i mean with all the strikeouts they must not have been looking.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 1:06:18 PM #

Could you see the Real Carp in the cesspool that is the Red Sox clubhouse?


Daddy, who are those guys over there eating chicken wings and drinking beer?

Just a couple of guys I the team I don't want to know.

Why don't you go over and smack them in the head like you used to do to Brendan Ryan?

Because they're bigger than he is.

Yeah, but they're getting their messy fingers all over the furniture.

You're right son, they're gonna get it good for that.

SMACK,SMACK!!!!!

Good job Daddy! Just like you do to me!

DocProc
DocProc
2/21/2012 1:09:02 PM #

Nice to have you back, Carp.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 1:15:37 PM #

My ultra sensitive listening devices have been without batteries recently.

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/21/2012 4:47:28 PM #

(ap)-- It was announced by the Red Sox that after a small altercation in the Red Sox locker room, Carpenter has been put on the DL for the rest of the season. Seems that he was upset about players eating chicken wings and drinking beer and decided to smack a couple of the culprits in order to change their focus... Seems one of the players was David Ortiz, who was not happy with Carpenters actions... Last words heard coming from Ortiz as he held Carpenter upside down was " who wants to help break the wishbone". Reports from the clubhouse said that Carpenter's son was jumping up and down hollering "me..me..me"

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 5:19:21 PM #

Atta boy,ORF! I love it when my partner in foolishness pops out of his hole.

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/21/2012 5:40:42 PM #

probably comes from lack of oxygen to my brain or just being old and senile...lol

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 1:26:25 PM #

from RJ

what happens if they look? drop and gimmie 20?

John Fay @johnfayman

#Reds are doing a no-look round in batting practice. You're not allowed to look at the ball after you hit it. Keeps you from pulling off.

William
William
2/21/2012 2:05:57 PM #

I agree with the Bailey bold prediction, 25 pounds of muscle and added shoulder strength will do him well.  People get upset when pitchers "bulk" up, but Bailey is as fundamentally sound as any pitcher in our entire system, so the weight gain will only do him good, maybe he will get past that one bad inning with the added strength.  I see Bailey winning 15 games this year.  I also think Bruce will hit .290 this year with 30+ home runs, he looks great and has taken off the extra weight.  If he starts going the other way again lights out!  Finally a bold prediction of a former red...I think that Edison Volquez will be a steal in fantasy drafts, and will win 15 games this year.  

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 4:31:08 PM #

Don't disagree with any of this! I think Volquez will pull it together--maybe not for a whole season, but definitely for long enough to make people second-guess the trade. But the loose brain fragments will eventually come back.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/21/2012 2:06:54 PM #

I thought this was a description of Stubbs batting in general at first.  As in not looking at the ball and just swinging.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/21/2012 2:22:57 PM #

I think Bruce will be better because the entire lineup should be better.  Strong lineups make good batters better.  Having a healthy Rolen in front of him, a Heisey or Ludwick behind him will give Bruce more opportunities imo.  I like the fact that he dropped some weight but I feel that a lineup consisting of Cozart/Rolen/Heisey/Ludwick instead of Janish/Cairo/Lewis/Gomes will make a bigger difference for Bruce as well as the rest of the guys hitting around them.  

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/21/2012 2:30:20 PM #

I am on the Ludwick bandwagon. He's a guy that has hung around b/c he has talent, not b/c he is gritty and tough and spunky//I'm still ripping on Jonny Gomes and you can't stop me.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 3:15:13 PM #

Learn something new everyday...thanks twitter

www.daytondailynews.com/.../...feel_good_stor.html

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 4:36:16 PM #

I didn't know about that, either. Good story--makes you root for him. And we need all the AAA starters we can get.

rpa
rpa
2/21/2012 5:33:29 PM #

Crap.  I had Francis in the Yukon with an ice-fishing accident.  Not Tomko in the hospital with a nerve problem.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 3:56:22 PM #

Anyone read into the missing names?

Votto-big timing?
Phillips-sending a message?
Rolen-staying healthy
Cairo-?
Stubbs-dumbass

Or are they just getting their sh!t together?

John Fay @johnfayman

RT @TScar10 Any position players make the early trip?//all but Votto, Rolen, Stubbs, Phillips and Cairo were there today

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 4:09:22 PM #

Eh, I don't care, as long as they're there by the date they're supposed to report.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 4:14:43 PM #

yeah, me too. Just thought it made for a good conversation that could involve some fun over-reaction in twitter.

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 4:23:48 PM #

Oh, that's totally gonna happen. I almost retweeted that with a "Cue overreaction about Stubbs' absence" comment.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 4:13:34 PM #

ctrent @ctrent

I think, finally, making fun of 'best shape of his life' stories has become even more cliche than the stories themselves

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/21/2012 4:18:51 PM #

I think that calling things cliche has become more cliche than making fun of best shape of his life stories.

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 4:23:02 PM #

Ha! I kind of enjoy making fun of the BSOHL stories.

rpa
rpa
2/21/2012 5:39:40 PM #

I made fun of the "best shape of his life" stories before it was cool.

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 8:13:50 PM #

I saw the BSOHL stories in a tiny bar in Lima, Ohio, before anyone else had ever heard of them.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 5:02:14 PM #

I was looking for a little controversy and hate so I went to Fay's site and it looks like you have to use a facebook profile to post a comment. Things are way to civil over there. Still stupid stuff being said but civil.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 5:25:43 PM #

Cincinnati.com went to that system for comments about all of their stories. It takes most of the entertainment value away from that site. The information value of the content isn't really a strong suit either.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 5:33:59 PM #

Does Jay get paid in English currency?

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 6:15:03 PM #

Hey! - that's the first time I was encarcerated in "reply Folsum" in quite a while.
  Happy Mardis Gras!
Dawginneworleans

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/21/2012 5:35:56 PM #

So, I was sitting here thinking to myself what if Chapman actually pans out and becomes a great starter.  Can you imagine the 2013 starting Rotation?  I happen to be one who believes maybe just maybe Bailey is going to take a step forward.  If he does, and if Chapman pans out (2 HUGE ifs) can you imagine the rotation of Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Bailey, and Leake.  YIKES

DocProc
DocProc
2/21/2012 5:38:37 PM #

That's REALLY fun to consider--and not at all impossible.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 5:41:50 PM #

I think it is more probable than not.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/21/2012 6:39:37 PM #

If it comes to fruition, the team can afford to either lose Votto to FA because they'll win it all in 2013, or trade him and strengthen the team with some other pieces in the offseason.  Thinking about the potential rotation right now kind of softens the blow, and makes me not so sad to think about life after Votto.

rpa
rpa
2/21/2012 5:41:04 PM #

Tomko quote of the day:

“My velocity isn’t 94 to 95 any more, but it is 92-93, pretty normal for a 39-year-old guy."

That's awesome news - I can expect to put about 35 MPH on my fastball between now and 2016.  Sweet.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 5:54:28 PM #

you know i read that and didn't even look at it like that. I'm 39 now...get me a radar gun!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 6:59:11 PM #

It goes to crap after 40 though. I'm 54 and I still get 85. I can't throw an inch further than that anymore.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 5:57:49 PM #

I like the idea of Chapman panning out. That would be amazing next year.

What about this? Dusty said he could see 3 lefties in the pen.

Is Sam LeCure a lock for the pen? I'm not thinking Chapman, Im thinking Francis.

I'd hate to just cut him lose after March. If he could take a pen spot maybe we could keep him for the long haul.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 6:15:26 PM #

Hey! - that's the first time I was encarcerated in "reply Folsum" in quite a while.
  Happy Mardis Gras!
Dawginneworleans

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/21/2012 6:54:47 PM #

You SOB...have a hand grenade for me!!!

Amy
Amy
2/21/2012 8:14:51 PM #

Aw, really? Not fair. Have fun, don't get arrested.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/22/2012 12:09:47 PM #

John Fay @johnfayman

Stubbs showed up this morning. Phillips tweeted he's in Goodyear. Haven't seen him yet. #reds

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 6:17:43 PM #

My bold prediction? Mike Leake hits three dingers this year and drives in 18.

genewv
genewv
2/21/2012 8:03:58 PM #

I cfan still get 85 in a 55 in my SUV--that's about it.

You guys and gals are becoming gitty.T must be on the way.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 8:11:13 PM #

Are you typing with mittens on again?

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/21/2012 8:27:35 PM #

ROFL

genewv
genewv
2/21/2012 9:27:49 PM #

Catchers always notice the most insignificant things--like arm slot, pitch selection, where you are standing on the mound for heavens sake, and now what kind of glove you are wearing while blogging, why you misspelled just a couple of words--a 3 letter one, and a 2 letter abbreviation! You guys are so picky for people that wear the god awfullest garbs ever invented--no wonder you cover your faces.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 9:34:18 PM #

You can call it, insignificant, if you like. I prefer to call it, attention to detail. The mask is so we don't ruin the looks of,generally speaking, the best looking guys on the field. Just sayin'!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 9:36:47 PM #

I was very careful as I typed, in order to make sure I didn't have any typos.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/21/2012 9:46:05 PM #

Yes usually it's the catchers with fingers that look like corkscrews and hence, the poor typing skills. I didn't have to wear the "tools of ignorance" very long before I figured out that job was for a heartier breed. You guys have fun. I need another hurricane! Ooooo Weeeee!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/21/2012 10:24:08 PM #

That's why I typed very carefully. I suck at typing because I fat finger everything. You're right, you have to have something wrong with you to be a catcher. I guess that's why The Little Guy volunteered for the job a couple of years ago.  Have a good time Dawg!

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/21/2012 11:29:10 PM #

The Cowboy is going home disappointed tonight!

bjsReds1
bjsReds1
2/21/2012 11:35:44 PM #

Kentucky made a believer out of me tonight.  That was as impressive a win as they've had all year.  I thought coming in that they would have a game in the tournament where Davis was taken out of the game and the other team got hot to where they couldn't win it.  Tonight proved to me that won't happen.

One thing to add - they don't use Kidd-Gilchrist enough.  He's the best player on that team not named Davis.  He can do it all and will be a star in the NBA.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/22/2012 12:23:42 AM #

They respond well to high-pressure situations, I thought they would cave in at Vandy and at MSU tonight but they will themselves to a win.  

I really like Kidd-Gilchrist, when the team needs a rebound, a tough basket in traffic or a major stop on defense he steps up to the challenge.  

With all that being said, their first half defense was embarrassing. Glad someone went back to the bus and found it at half-time.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/22/2012 9:00:06 AM #

Here's another bold prediction for you guys and gals:

I say someone unexpected comes up BIG for the Reds this season.  I'm talking major impact the entire season.  It might be Cozart, It might be Snacks, it might be Ludwick, Heisey or perhaps Chapman.  But I have a feeling someone is going to step up big time and have one heck of a season and no-one really expected them to have quite that large of an impact.

The kind of season that makes you look back and say WOW, I knew this guy was good but had no idea he was this good, or I knew he had potential but never expected to see it all come together in 2012.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/22/2012 9:19:40 AM #

Who is the Michigan State fan on here?  Is it Amy or Mary?  At any rate, your Spartans are looking really good at the right time of the year.  Izzo is the coach I wanted at UK during the last two coaching changes.  He's a heck of a coach.  You rarely see one of his teams underachieve and that's one of the true measuring stick of a great coach imo.  

Mary
Mary
2/22/2012 11:00:43 AM #

ME!  go Spartans!

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 10:05:06 AM #

Soccer,

They tried me at catching the first day of Little League. I knew right then and there it was not for me--first time a foul tip hit my face mask head on, I said I need to find another position! Besides, I did not like to think, just play. Hey, I could have been another Farney!

RF,

I am a huge Izzo fan. While I don't pull for anyone in the Big Ten personally, I think Izzo is one of the all-time greats. You are correct, IMO, if a team almost never under-achieves, often over-achieves, AND, is always playing it's best basketball at season's end, what else can you say but the coach is special?

There is something to be said for those guys that can coach all thoroughbreds as well--not a easy job--way too many egos to deal with. That said, those kind of guys do have the talent on hand to win a lot of games regardless of how motivated, controlled, the team might be. Guys like IZZO will their teams to win on many occasions.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/22/2012 12:27:47 PM #

It's funny, I never really minded the foul tip to the mask. In fact I kind of enjoyed it for some odd reason. It kind of woke me up.  The one I hated was the foul tip down on the top of the thigh or off the shoulder. Those really hurt!

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 12:32:02 PM #

I got stuck catching from time to time when I was a kid because I was not afraid of the ball and I could make the throw... but I was never much of a catcher largely because I really disliked doing it.  Too hot.  And I whined the whole time.  Corner infield for me, please.

Of course, the one significant injury I still deal with from my childhood was in fact incurred while catching in a half-assed manner.  Don't block the plate when a all-conference linebacker is coming at you unless you really know what you are doing.  I didn't, got knocked into next week and my left side from my hip down to my foot still hurts because of it.  Nothing was broken (although I suspect it was responsible for a hairline fracture in my left foot that was found much later) but none of the ligaments on my left leg are quite what they are supposed to be.

I did, however, hang on to the ball.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/22/2012 12:47:40 PM #

That's how Posey got hurt. He did it wrong. Pat Tabler knocked me ass over hat when I put myself in a bad position. I did the same thing Ray Fosse did to Pete Rose except about 5 feet further up the line. Stay inside the line until you get the ball and then drop on the runner. if the runner hits me while I'm inside the line, then he and I have a problem.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 4:13:17 PM #

Yeah.  I actually was pretty much on the line with my left leg sticking out toward the back part of the plate (in part due to a so-so throw from the shortstop).  It was a clean play - the runner had every right to run me over.  Mostly, the main thing I did wrong was not really having a good feel for where I was standing in relation to the line and the plate (not catching on a regular basis did not exactly prepare me to know how to handle the play, I was more worried about the one hopper the shortstop had lobbed in from shallow center field then where I was standing).

So, like I said... if you don't know what you're doing, stay out of the way.

Hebron Reds Fan
Hebron Reds Fan
2/22/2012 10:51:05 AM #

online.wsj.com/.../...09104577237303623692324.html

I know I am partial, but I am thinking the Wall Street Journal should sitck to business reporting and leave the sports reporting to someone else.  I just don't buy that the Reds rank number 20 out of 30 teams for their off-season activities--getting beat out by the Pirates, the Orioles, the Astros, the Royals, the Cubs, and the Blue Jays (who did absolutely nothing by the way).  Is it just me, or is there something flawed in their calculations?

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/22/2012 11:30:14 AM #

Very comical list actually.  The statement that the Reds improved their pitching but really needed to improve their offense because "the problem was their offensive production, which dropped by 65 runs in 2011." tells me this yahoo doesn't know a darn thing about baseball and the Reds 2011 season in particular.  

I mean yes it had to be the fact that the Reds scored the second most Runs in the NL last year that was the problem since they scored 65 fewer than in 2010.  It couldn't have been the 12th ranked ERA in the NL that made the teams perform so poorly in 2011.  What a joke.  

Now I do believe there's room for improvement on offense but Cozart > Janish/Sancho, Heisey and Ludwick > Lewis and Gomes, and Rolen playing is > Rolen on the DL so I have faith the offense will be better.  

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 12:21:27 PM #

This is why the WSJ should stay out of sports unless they are talking about economics or the business side.  Gomes and Lewis were useless.  Janish and Renteria were worse than that.  Our backup utility guy had to play most of the season at 3rd.  The offense is going to be better.

The pitching upgrades were huge and so was adding Ludwick.  This team is going to be much much better than last year.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 12:35:52 PM #

I am curious as to how WAR projects lower next year, unless fan graphs just expects some overall regression from some guys.  If you actually net out the MOVES they made in the offseason, I think they turn out better.

Of course, sometimes the moves you don't make are the ones that hurt (see the 2010/2011 offseason for an example).  

The one thing that a statistical analysis is not going to catch - not having Renteria, Lewis, Gomes on the team means Dusty can't write them into the lineup.  The result of that only becomes apparent once the season is underway.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/22/2012 12:10:01 PM #

John Fay @johnfayman

Stubbs showed up this morning. Phillips tweeted he's in Goodyear. Haven't seen him yet. #reds

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 12:18:35 PM #

I think Izzo is the best college basketball coach in America, and I'm not sure it's even close.  The guy has taken 6 teams to the final four in his 16 years at MSU.  He's had some good recruits come though but he doesn't land the classes that Cal, Williams, Coach K, Bill Self, or Thad Matta get, but his teams every year are extremely  tough.  

In that time he's had only 12 NBA draft picks come from his team.  Calipari has had what 7 in the last 2 and probably 4 or 5 more in this class.  Lord only knows how many Coach K and Roy Williams have had over the years.  14 of his 16 years they've made the tourney so no doubt he has some Elite 8 or Sweet 16 births in there as well.  I wouldn't want to play his team in March EVER.  

I have always like Izzo and his teams, and I think this year they could win it all.  A team like his would give anyone trouble because of how physical they are.  They'll punch you in the mouth that's for sure.

This tournament will be fun to watch.  I think North Carolina is poised for a big tournament and they were sort of going through the motions.  Roy has them ready to go it looks like now.  Michigan State is going to be in it for the long haul.  Kentucky is obviously the best team, but Cal has a knack for having the best team coming into the tournament and not winning it all.  They need to fear the possibility of West Virginia sliding into an 8 or 9 seed spot and playing in the 2nd round.  Huggins owns Cal.  I have no logical reason to say UK isn't going to win it all other than I don't believe Cal is can do it, until he does it.  His team 2 years ago was unreal.  The Derek Rose team that was up 9 with 2 minutes left against Kansas in the title game was insanely talented too.  

At the same time though, I used to say the same thing about Roy Williams.  Hard to believe he never won one at Kansas with the talent he had there.  Should be interesting.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 12:23:16 PM #

Hey Redfaced, you know who I'm picking for the unexpected guy to pick up the offense?  Drew Stubbs.  There are a couple of guys who are on their last chance for me to buy into list.  Stubbs and Bailey are at the top.  I'm predicting a big year for both and if neither pan out, I'm done with both of them.  I think Stubbs tears it up this year.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 12:37:07 PM #

Bold prediction for 2012 - I think that attendance will wind up being better this year than any year since the 1st one at GABP.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/22/2012 12:48:19 PM #

if they get off to any kind of a decent start its going to be tough to get a good seat.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 4:14:02 PM #

I only have 13 games this year.  But sitting in the scout seats.  So it will be cool.

Amy
Amy
2/22/2012 12:48:04 PM #

Somebody give him a push.

www.mlbtraderumors.com/.../...ward-retirement.html

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/22/2012 1:22:09 PM #

He's approaching retirement like he does a ground ball in the hole between SS and 3rd base - slow and methodical.  

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/22/2012 1:26:27 PM #

Good one!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/22/2012 2:08:06 PM #

Enjoy

ramsey.mlblogs.com/.../

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 3:10:01 PM #

Damn champ I saw enjoy and thought we may be getting a pic or two of Dallas Latos there.  So, I know we all laughed the other day but the one picture of Jay Bruce did look like he's lost a few pounds there.

BTChamp Summers
BTChamp Summers
2/22/2012 3:16:42 PM #

BT...there are sights for those pics. Every time we've gone down that road things go downhill fast.

Just thought the sight of Spring baseball might take you to a happy place if your locked up in an office and its under 40 outside.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 3:30:14 PM #

I was really just joking, you are correct it was great to see some pics of spring baseball.  Especially, when Im' chained to this desk and tired of this long last stretch of winter before it gets nice.  

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 4:15:49 PM #

It is actually pretty warm here today.  But no baseball here just yet.  Yet.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 4:29:45 PM #

We've had a pretty good winter too overall, but 40's and 50's still don't make for great get out and fish weather.  I tried on Saturday at a park here in NKY.  It's a really nice hike into a canyon(i know sounds funny but it really is kind of a canyon out there where the gunpowder river flows.  Anyway, I was exploring around this nature part out there with a fishing pole, and was feeling pretty good, until I got about knee deep in the water crossing the creek.  SHOOOOOWEEEEE did that shock me a bit.  There are still parts of my anatomy that haven't dropped back down yet lol.  TMI?  Sorry lol.  

Anyway, anyone that lives in area that would like to check out a pretty neat park with a fairly rigourous hike, let me know I can tell ya how to get there.

BTChamp Summers
BTChamp Summers
2/22/2012 3:21:09 PM #

Talbert...look at how this game thread deteriorated with one simple pic

www.sonsofstevegarvey.com/.../...vs-padres-7p.html

Amy
Amy
2/22/2012 3:22:29 PM #

I'm sorry, but this is just amusing:

eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/.../34947776

I also enjoyed reading that he was fined after his cell phone went off in a meeting. Yathink he might've enjoyed some preferential treatment for a few years in St. Louis?

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 3:36:51 PM #

On NCAA BB coaches, winning the National Championship. It does not take many good players to have a good BB team. You can have 2 super guys, a few role players, and bingo--hit your stride at the right time, you can beat anyone. You can find 5-6 solid players, with one above average, and get hot--unreal what can happen. Or, you can find 4-5 really good players--there are a heck of a lot of good BB players around the country. Some never even make it to college, become playground legends.

Point is, in FB, even baseball, you got to have a bunch of good players. In FB, 20-25 at the least, other wise, you got no chance.

Then, there are 115 D-1 FB programs, 350 or so D-1 basketball programs. Almost any of the 350 BB programs can catch lightening in a bottle every now and then. Heck, even in the pros, you got a 1 in 30-35 chance of winning it all--BB, FB, or baseball. In college the odds are much tougher.

Point is, you got to be good, but you also got to be a little lucky in BB. John Wooden coached for 16 years at UCLA before he won his first, Dean Smith somewhere around the same at NC, I think even Bobby Knight was a pretty long time in winning his first, and there are many more examples of great coaches taking for ever to win it all, some never do it. Some of the absolute best coaches that I ever faced never won a state championship, never even made it to the state championships--but they were better than some I faced that did win one--or, in some cases, even more.

Now, that brings us back to the Izzo evaluation--shows just how good he really is. As Bum Phillips once said of Don Shula when asked how good he was, "He is the type feller that can take his and beat yours, or, if you want, take yours and beat his." That's Izzo, IMO.

One final thought. I think Bob Huggins is an elite coach, a special coach. That said, he has never won a NC, may never win one. The couple times he had a chance, injuries have did him in. Once at Cincy, once at WVU when he lost Truck Bryant in the Regional Finals. Now, WVU may not have won anyway, but I can't see anyone beating that Cincy team with Kenyan Martin in the lineup.

Yep, takes some luck.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 3:50:52 PM #

Absolutely, that's why it's so much more impressive to me that Izzo has been able to do what he has.  Don't get me wrong, he gets good players, but I don't think he's ever had elite recruiting classes.  I couldn't imagine what he'd be able to do with the recruiting power of UK, UNC, Kansas etc.  There are definitely great coaches all over the NCAA that will never win a title.

I wasn't neccessarily saying that Cal won't win one.  I'm just skeptical until he does.  There is definitely an element of luck that goes along with things, I just think sometimes he doesn't value all the little things that will win a title.  That team with Derek Rose at Memphis.  All year long people drilled him about how bad they were at foul shooting and he just scoffed at that notion that his team would lose because of foul shooting.  I said oh man, he better just hope that doesn't come back to bite him.  Well Obviously it did, had his team just made 1 foul shot in the last 2 minutes of that game, Kansas doesn't win the national title.

Will he win a title?  I'd say with the talent he lands yeah he should win one or a couple.  I just have to see him win that first one before I believe it.  He's been coaching a long time and has had great teams at all of his last 3 stops.  Sometimes it's a matter of getting the right coach with the right program, like Roy to UNC.  Obviously, Cal has turned UK around and quick.  They have a great team and will have a shot to win it all.  This is as good of a shot as he's had I'd say so we'll see how it pans out.  There are a few teams that have a shot this year.  I don't see anyone outside of UK, UNC, MSU, OSU, Kansas, or Syracuse blowing through the tournament, but that's why it's March Madness!

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 4:00:56 PM #

Also, I know we have UK fan or fans on here, so please don't think I'm hating on UK or Cal.  I thought he was a great hire and they needed a guy like him to bring the program back quick.  My statement was, he's the closest thing you could've got to Rick Pitino, back when Pitino came on at UK.  He's smart, he's charismatic, he's got the ego it takes to be a UK coach, and he's an incredible recruiter.  

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 4:12:53 PM #

Talbert,

Yep, I wasn't being argumentative, just wanted to talk a little basketball since the tourney was close. I understood where you were coming from.

I also agree on the evaluation of Calipari. He is certainly a great recruiter, which is half the battle in college, maybe more than half. However, that final touch needed to get over the top usually has to be injected from the coach. I am not saying he does not have it either, but have not seen him win consistently with less talent than the other coaches he has played, so he has to prove himself to be able to add that little intangible ( sometimes tangible ) that he needs to go all the way to the top.

My guess is, he gets it done at some point, but, I don't know.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/22/2012 4:24:40 PM #

It's hard to build a team with the turnover he has.  Last year's team, which was far less talented than the team the year before, had 2 good juniors and 1 senior leader and that made a lot of difference I think.  They still have Miller, I just don't know that Lamb and Jones are the same kind of leaders they were.  

I'm like you, at some point he's going to win one, I just won't predict it until it happens.  Would he win with Michigan State's team this year?  I just don't know, because most of the players on that team are guys he wouldn't even look at in recruiting, where Izzo has spent time building that team up.

I really think that's why teams who make deep runs have a combo of really talented players and experience.  My favorite college basketball team of all time was probably the 96 UK team.  A ton of great talent combined with guys like Delk, McCarty, Pope, Pricket, and Epps.  Again, they had a ton of talent I mean they had to make a JV team and guys on that JV team went on to play in the NBA.  Padgett, an NBA player, was kicked off the team for grades, and Pitino told Roderick Rhodes, a first round pick, essentially that he wasn't good enough to play on the team in 96 so he transferred out.  INSANELY talented and experienced team.  In my opinion the best college team in my life time.

I expected my Buckeyes to be very good this year.  They lost 3 seniors from last year but I thought they'd bounce back because of the great freshman class and the step up that I thought Bufford was going to make.  They are a great team still don't get me wrong, but the freshman class hasn't developed as quickly as many thought, and Bufford has regressed overall.  Still have a shot to make a deep run, but they don't have that balance of great talent and leadership.  Losing Lighty and Diebler hurt them badly.

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 4:15:57 PM #

You are right that it takes a certain amount of arrogance to successfully coach at the elite schools--outward arrogance. All good coaches are arrogant, but some keep it under wraps, others wear it on their sleeves. At the elite schools, you need to wear it on your sleeves.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 4:20:35 PM #

If someone wants some hating on Calipari or Huggins done, just let me know.  Izzo I have a hard time saying anything bad about.  Even if he does coach the Spartans.

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 5:03:24 PM #

On Huggins, I have some issues with him, but not with his coaching. I separate the two when I talk about coaches.

Heck, I like Dusty, but not his coaching.

rpa
rpa
2/22/2012 7:01:24 PM #

Bold predictions... starts, by pitcher, in 2012 for the Reds:

Arroyo - 34
Cueto - 30
Leake - 29
Latos - 26
Bailey - 24
LeCure - 8
Chapman - 5
Francis - 5
Tomko - 1

DocProc
DocProc
2/22/2012 7:46:21 PM #

The trainer who helped Homer bulk up is a former student of mine.  He's mentioned in this article (his last name is misspelled--it's Wiefering, not Wieferins):

www.foxsportsohio.com/.../print_landing;

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 8:56:25 PM #



Doc,

So, what is your best bet, weights, excellent nutrition or hamburgers and fries?

Could not resist...Always nice to see former students succeed. Makes you feel what you are doing is worth while.

DocProc
DocProc
2/22/2012 9:08:49 PM #

I plead guilty to burgers and fries.  But my former student doesn't--here he is on a mag cover:  www.google.com/imgres:en-US:official&biw=1680&bih=894&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&tbnid=PYfUdp-uO_1MoM:&imgrefurl=www.chrissytravels.com/.../&docid=ZNbm-zEBV7HlnM&imgurl=http://www.chrissytravels.com/.../muscfit_may2010cover-1.jpg&w=493&h=650&ei=OZ5FT4CDMM3SgQeI5a2XBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1450&vpy=505&dur=512&hovh=155&hovw=135&tx=149&ty=109&sig=117119763922421752691&page=1&tbnh=155&tbnw=135&start=0&ndsp=42&ved=0CMIBEK0DMB4

DocProc
DocProc
2/22/2012 9:09:57 PM #

Let me try that again:  www.chrissytravels.com/.../

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/22/2012 9:21:59 PM #

We're identical twins.

genewv
genewv
2/22/2012 11:00:01 PM #

Doc,

OK, you taught him well!

Soccer,

You should have been is a standup comedian--of course, you did squat your way to fame behind the dish--and then eating everything on your dish and anyone else that did not clean theirs up.

Uh, you might also want to get a checkup for your eyes when you have time.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 12:17:11 AM #

Fame in a very small circle. My mom thought I was pretty good. My vision are fine. It's my perception of reality that is distorted.

BTChamp Summers
BTChamp Summers
2/23/2012 9:08:55 AM #

A close friend of Oswalt's "would not be surprised" if the right-hander accepts the Cardinals' terms, Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweets.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 9:29:12 AM #

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
it is NOT rangers or red sox for oswalt, at least not now, according to people who know. #roy


Either Cardinals or Reds.

DocProc
DocProc
2/23/2012 9:32:36 AM #

Given the starting pitching "padding" that Walt has already acquired (Francis, Tomko), and the fact that we ostensibly have six pitchers vying for five starting slots, I seriously doubt that he's still going after Oswalt.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 9:43:34 AM #

www.foxsportsflorida.com/.../msn_landing.html

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 10:36:01 AM #

They could have just given away Yoda dolls in a Rays uniform. Same thing!
Even better, Evan Longoria's girlfriend pictures would work. Do a little Google work and see what I mean.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 10:41:39 AM #

Sounds like Oswalt to the Cards to me.  I will not be upset by this.  I think Oswalt has no spot in the Reds rotation and I don't fear him when the Reds face him like we did for years.  The last two seasons he has not been the same pitcher.  He will unfortunately eat up the Stros, Cubs and Pirates.

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 10:49:47 AM #

Joe Strauss@JoeStrauss

Mo' insists Roy O "will not be pitching for the Cardinals." #Categorical


Things are getting interesting.  Maybe he's gonna stay home?

BTChamp Summers
BTChamp Summers
2/23/2012 10:57:04 AM #

crap...just decide already. Players report tomorrow. Maybe he wants to shorten his spring.

BTChamp Summers
BTChamp Summers
2/23/2012 10:54:37 AM #

Hey guys,

Looking for feedback from the Fantasy geeks on RO. I've been out of this baseball roto world for 8 years now. I have a friend who wanted to bounce this off me but I am not as informed as I used to be. I told him he could lurk here for better advice.

He inherited this keeper team from someone and has a few issues. The draft pitching staffs not individual pitchers. They can keep 4 position players unless they keep a pitching staff. If they keep a staff he can keep only 2 position players.

I would assume that the staffs in the top 10 all have potential to be top 5 staffs. Unless I was loaded offensively I would keep a top ten staff so the pickings might be thin on draft day??

If you inherited this team what do you do?



Wieters, Matt C BAL(7th RD)  A  97  91  A  C
Ortiz, David DH BOS (12th RD)  A  98  92  A  1B
Utley, Chase 2B PHI (4thRD)  A  98  80  A  2B
Wright, David 3B NYM (1st RD)   A  99  94  A  3B
Reyes, Jose SS NYM (2nd RD)  A  99  84  A  SS
Bourjos, Peter CF ANA (18th RD)  A   55  39  A  OF
Jones, Adam CF BAL(5thRD)  A  94  62  A  OF
Roberts, Ryan LF ARI (LAST)  A  89  66  A  OF
Carroll, Jamey SS LA  (LAST)  A  15  9  A  U
Staff, Reds PS CIN (8th RD) yr   A  1  0  A   PS
Loney, James 1B LA (9th RD)   A  56  41  RS  1B
Raburn, Ryan LF DET (11th RD)  A  15  8  RS  2B
Pennington, Cliff SS OAK (19  A   43  31  RS  SS
Heyward, Jason RF ATL (11th RD)  A   84  48  RS  OF
Ibanez, Raul LF PHI (10th RD)  A  55  34  RS  OF
Hundley, Nick C SD (16th RD)  A  32   23  RS  U
Youkilis, Kevin 1B BOS(5th RD)  A  94   43  RS  U
Staff, Mariners PS SEA (14th R  A  1  0  RS  PS
Hall, Bill LF SF (15th RD  5  1  I  SS
Brantley, Michael CF CLE (Last)  A  40  9  I   OF
Hawpe, Brad RF SD (20th RD)

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 11:07:50 AM #

these are the players and staff you currently have, and you must choose to keep a staff (SEA or CIN) and two players or draft a new staff and keep 4 players?

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 11:08:52 AM #

also, does your league track any defensive stats?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 11:11:41 AM #

Not positive...not my league.

These are the players on the roster currently. Keep 4 unless you keep a pitching staff then you can only keep 2.

No defensive stats as far as I can tell.

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 11:23:10 AM #

also, if you keep a player, do you lose a draft pick for the round which they are noted (for example, if you keep David Ortiz do you lose your twelth round pick)?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 11:34:35 AM #

no...you put everyone else back in the pool and snake draft from whats left.

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 11:46:33 AM #

Interesting.

In that case I keep Wright, Utley, Reyes, and Jones, and throw away the rest

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 11:49:56 AM #

my mistake...you do sacrifice the pick from the round above and he has the 3rd overall pick.

One one other note...the reds pick is worth a 10th rounder not 8th

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 11:52:46 AM #

ok, that makes more sense.  In that case, I keep Jones, Wieters, Reyes, and Heyward.  Guys with big upside that aren't going to cose you a top pick (except for Reyes, but if he's healthy he's worth it)

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 12:11:28 PM #

he noted the Reyes pick will be bottom second.

What would you do if the top 8 or 10 staffs in a 12 team league are kept and the reds just cost you a 10th rounder? Better value than wasting a top 4 pick on an staff like Bosox or TX etc??

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 12:29:09 PM #

Not that I'm not a big believer in the Reds staff, as that's far from the truth.  I do think that Heyward is going to bounce back bigtime (lotta folks drinking that koolaid down here in the ATL) and I have always liked Adam Jones.  I just feel like with guys like Jones, Reyes, and Wieters, you are getting higher offensive production relative to the average at their position.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 1:19:16 PM #

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Roy Oswalt May Sign Midseason bit.ly/wahb5v #mlb

rpa
rpa
2/23/2012 6:16:56 PM #

Man, that team is a train wreck.  I might chuck the whole thing and take my chances in the draft.  Keeper leagues are hard when you do not know who your opponents are keeping.  If you're worried that nothing of value will be out there, I suppose keep Wieters.  If scoring is standard roto I would keep Bourjos - his steals and 10 HR will certainly be worth a 17th round pick.  And I suppose if you are convinced that NOTHING will be out there in the 1st round, you could keep Reyes.  But to me no way you want to put down a 3rd overall pick on someone so injury prone, even if he plays SS.  Barry Larkin burned me that way for years until I figured that out.

I would not spend any kind of high pick on the Reds pitching staff.  It looks good now but there is just way too much room for disaster, unless in this league people tend to hang on to pitching staffs and overvalue them.

Picking an entire staff is kinda dumb.  Maybe I will ask for fantasy advice next.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 11:09:08 AM #

where are the guys like Heyman or Rosenthal on this Oswalt thing. The only person who keeps a secret like this is.......Walt? Maybe the Phils are still in?

DocProc
DocProc
2/23/2012 11:11:13 AM #

If this is true--and it appears to be--it's unbelievable.

eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/.../34959345

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 11:13:05 AM #

Pete Rose & Bob Boone make appearances in this video about Steve Carlton.

crashburnalley.com/.../

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 11:14:48 AM #

HAhaha:

Joe Frisaro @JoeFrisaro
Priceless Ozzie moment. Reyes swings and misses first pitch off machine. Ozzie yells, "Don't be wasting our money." #Marlins

I can't wait to see this season's episodes of The Franchise.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 1:19:30 PM #

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Roy Oswalt May Sign Midseason bit.ly/wahb5v #mlb

Hebron Reds Fan
Hebron Reds Fan
2/23/2012 4:09:37 PM #

I know that I might be in the minority on this one, now that we have all had plenty of time to think about it, but if we could sweep in at this point and pick up Oswalt for the cheap without giving up anyone else (except needing to do a 40-man roster move)--I would do it in a second.  I still have major concern about the depth of this rotation.  Tomko is a great feel-good story--but quite frankly, I don't see him ever serving as a starter at this point.  Oswalt would make things crowded and we would have to get creative with some pitcher's roles--but I would go for it!

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/23/2012 4:43:15 PM #

I agree but not sure what getting him for cheap would be.  The rumor was he turned down 5 million per year from the RedSox.  I'm just not sure that he's worth much more or that 8 or 9 million is the kind of flyer I want to take on a guy.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 2:14:39 PM #

This weekend I am not going to leave the damn house.

Its race week in Daytona to there will be sh!t loads of people coming here for that. To add on to that pile the NBA All Star Game is here Saturday...I'm going nowhere near downtown orlando...what a damn mess.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 2:56:51 PM #

Nascar fans and NBA fans in the same city at the same time? That is a demographic train wreck.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 3:05:12 PM #

no kidding...

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 3:49:51 PM #

www.youtube.com/watch

We've all seen this but it still makes my day when I watch this career defining moment. He was never the same.

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 4:20:28 PM #

I may have to institute a "No Billy Squier" rule for RO.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 4:30:18 PM #

I met the guy once. He played at Riverfront Coliseum and came to the place I worked, after the show. He sat in and sang a couple songs with the local cover band that was playing. On of the songs happened to be "The Stroke" which was kind of like having a mini Billy Squier concert in a bar near UC. He was a really nice guy, but I hate his freaking music. I'm all for a "No Billy Squier" rule,with the exception being, mocking is allowed.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 4:24:05 PM #

To borrow a phrase from the Cowboy...Oh Billy, Billy, Billy

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 4:02:03 PM #

John Fay @johnfayman

By the way, I don't know if the #Reds will be interested in Oswalt in May. #preemptivestrike

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 4:02:50 PM #

I want to ask him what about June?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 4:31:20 PM #

or Wally and The Beav?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 4:43:47 PM #

Hey everyone - it's been awhile since I've posted. I have three thoughts and three thoughts only:

1. Cancer sucks, and is the primary reason I've been AWOL here. My dad has colon cancer and is in the midst of trying to take care of it, and it most definitely sucks.

2. The Reds are making an ENORMOUS mistake not signing Oswalt. You will need seven starters, at least, and outside of our top five, you have Tomko, Francis, and Chapman? Seriously. Find the money and go get Oswalt.

3. My bold prediction is that the Reds go to the World Series and lose an absolute classic, seven game epic series against the New York Yankees. That Latos/Pineda game seven will be insane, and we'll end up on the losing end due to that ridiculous All-Star game rule that gives the AL home field advantage in July.

Yes. My wildest dreams still have the Reds losing. It's been a long time since 1990, hasn't it?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 5:14:08 PM #

Ash, prayers and best wishes for you and your dad, my man.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 5:20:34 PM #

BIGGEST PIECE OF BULLSHIT I'VE SEEN IN A WHILE.

BRAUN SUSPENSION OVERRULED.

www.mlbtraderumors.com/.../...ot-be-suspended.html

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 5:26:21 PM #

There are conflicting reports... though you're right on it being complete bullshit if it's true.

DocProc
DocProc
2/23/2012 5:30:45 PM #

Complete and total bullshit.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 5:28:47 PM #

MLB announced it. Bullshit all the way around.

espn.go.com/.../ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension

genewv
genewv
2/23/2012 5:32:05 PM #

Ash,

I, too, will be saying some prayers for your dad.

Sorry to hear, really sorry.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 5:33:23 PM #

Wait - what!? This wasn't determined by MLB!?

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/23/2012 5:36:27 PM #

When the arbiter's name spells Sham, you know you're getting a big crock of $hizzz

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 5:38:11 PM #

Ash - I'm sorry to hear of your father's battle with cancer.  I hope and pray that he overcomes this disease and does so in grand fashion.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 5:39:26 PM #

So, let me get this straight: MLB can't suspend someone without a court stepping in an approving it?

Seriously - what the hell is that about? So Braun takes something he shouldn't, but a court gets him off on a technicality?

The entire season is tainted if the Brewers are in the race. That's not an opinion; that's a fact. MLB is such a joke.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 5:41:31 PM #

Thanks for the kind words about my dad, guys. They're definitely appreciated.

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 5:48:37 PM #

So, if it doesn't matter what the substance is, whether you knew it would cause a positive test or not, if you took it, if you tested positive, you get a suspension...how does this happen? Legally, I mean. Well, something had to have happened in the chain of possession of the sample, right? That's the only thing I can think of that isn't a complete and f***ing joke.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 5:54:49 PM #

Jon Heyman ‏ @JonHeymanCBS  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
part of braun's argument was that the chain of custody was broken for 2 days, meaning the sample was left unprotected


SRSLY? OMFG

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 5:56:34 PM #

Gah. Idiots.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:01:41 PM #

I'm pizzed b/c the standard of review in these cases is supposed to be very strict deference to the test....Braun should have had to have some kind of evidence of alteration, not a broken chain of custody.

Broken chain of custody gets you off in criminal cases, when you have to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that it was the sample, thus in a criminal case, you as the prosecutor have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that it was his sample.

Here, Braun had to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that he didn't fail the test and that it wasn't his sample. A broken chain of custody proves nothing.

Effing arbitrator

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 6:03:05 PM #

Interesting. I didn't know those details. So, I'm back to thinking it's a complete and f***ing joke.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 6:04:18 PM #

It's very simple: this is a PR move. Ryan Braun is too famous and important to baseball to be suspended.

So much for cleaning up the game.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/23/2012 6:12:30 PM #

and there's the Bud Selig thing.

rpa
rpa
2/23/2012 6:05:10 PM #

Complete and utter bullshit.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/23/2012 6:14:33 PM #

Well, it's going to be hard for them to be as great without Prince, but this is definitely going to make things interesting in the central.  I know I'm tempting fate, but the Cards to me aren't going to be a threat, the Brewers certainly will be though.

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/23/2012 6:28:59 PM #

Ash , been through the cancer thing with family member..yep it definitely sucks...Prayers to you and your family especially your dad.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:31:13 PM #

MLB executive vice president Rob Manfred and union head Michael Weiner are part of the arbitration panel, and management and the union almost always split their votes, leaving Das, the independent panel member, to make the decision.

Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html

The blame lays w/ this Das guy. Clearly Manfred and Weiner are going to vote for their respective parties (Manfred, MLB), Weiner, Union.

But this Das guy, WTF. MLB wanted Braun suspended, I have NO doubt. It's this Das guy who ill will should be aimed at. This is one of the biggest problems w/ arbitration today. Limited review of proceedings. You don't really have to follow rules of law, or for that matter the MLB testing rules. BS ruling by a BS arbitrator.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:35:00 PM #

Steve Berthiaume ‏ @SBerthiaumeESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Braun test sample collector thought FedEx/Kinkos was closed because it was late on a Saturday. MLB is livid and considering options.
Retweeted by Buster Olney
15m Steve Berthiaume ‏ @SBerthiaumeESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Braun argued test protocol had not been followed. Collector took sample home & kept it refrigerated rather than get it to FedEx asap.

I am vomiting all over everything.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:36:39 PM #

If all this is true then Braun should bring criminal charges against the guy who supposedly spiked his sample, right?

That'll never happen b/c in court you have to follow the law. In arbitration you don't.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:45:30 PM #

Steve Berthiaume ‏ @SBerthiaumeESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
ESPN's Mark Fainaru-Wada & TJ Quinn report: Ryan Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering or anything about test science being wrong. (more)

Braun did not argue that he did not use any substances. Solely process. No argument of tampering. OMFG.

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 6:47:09 PM #

Maybe some of Wisconsin's cleat chasers will file lawsuits against him for passing on herpes to them?

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 6:53:23 PM #

I gotta say I would rather he prevailed on the defense that it was herpes medication as to any of this other nonsense.

That being said, using herpes medication still probably wouldn't be a valid defense. I bet MLB wished they could get rid of this arbitrator ASAP. But he's been the third guy, the "independent" guy, since 2002. Probably hard to get rid of him.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 6:52:00 PM #

OK first of all...AAT, I have been down your upcoming road and its a tough one. Hang in there. We are all pulling for your dad.

Second...this is the most insane pile of crap I can remember. Its like something out of a bad lawyer show on NBC.

The road to October just got a bit tougher.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/23/2012 6:52:30 PM #

Thanks for the reminder, Amy!

As far as I'm concerned, this non-suspension gives us the right to make all the herpes related jokes we want. We've got 18 games against the Brew Crew to perfect our craft.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 6:55:39 PM #

http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes.htm

here are the facts about herpes to better craft our cracks

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:09:36 PM #

When signs do occur, they typically appear as one or more blisters on or around the genitals or rectum. The blisters break, leaving tender ulcers (sores) that may take two to four weeks to heal the first time they occur.

After Braun hits a HR. "Hey Herbie, you really blistered that one"!

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 7:15:03 PM #

NICE. And by "nice," I mean OMG EWWWW.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:14:41 PM #

You said "cracks"  Ha !

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:30:41 PM #

Braun had a breakout year, or was it an outbreak year?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 6:53:30 PM #

Human rights??? Syria is human rights. Gammons is a dope

Peter Gammons @pgammo

If the testing is not foolproof and perfect, it becomes a human rights issue. Braun is innocent because he was not 100 per cent guilty.

rpa
rpa
2/23/2012 6:54:06 PM #

Braun is probably on Selig's special list - make sure to mishandle the sample so it can be overturned on appeal.

It is easy for MLB to vote against and act indignant when they know how the arbitrator and the union will vote.  

It's like when a congressman gets a chance to vote against a piece of legislation because it's passing like 400-0, they wait to see if their vote will "count" and once they no it does, they vote NO so they can say they stood on principle (when in fact had the party "needed" their vote they would have fallen in line).  Many politicians have made a career out of it.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/23/2012 6:56:44 PM #

dont get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!

rpa
rpa
2/23/2012 7:05:31 PM #

Wow. I made a mess of one of those sentences but I think everyone gets the point.

rpa
rpa
2/23/2012 6:59:24 PM #

So... i bought some chocolate when I went out to grab dinner (it was a takeout nite).

This stuff is pretty awesome, incidentally.

puredark.rtscart.com/BarksDetail.asp

Anyway, as a dog owner I felt like it was necessary for me to eat all of it.  You know, because chocolate is bad for dogs.  I need to make sure Homer doesn't somehow get his little paws on it and eat it and get sick.  That was my only motivation.

My wife did not seem to think this was a good excuse to eat what was probably like 2 candy bars worth of chocolate after dinner.

Ruling?

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 7:08:35 PM #

You had to take one for the team.

Amy
Amy
2/23/2012 7:34:02 PM #

Also, who carries that??

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:36:19 PM #

i was about to ask the same thing.

rpa
rpa
2/24/2012 4:15:25 PM #

There is a chain called Fresh Market that has it, at least here in Oakley.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/24/2012 4:31:03 PM #

Across the street from Skyline,isn't it?

rpa
rpa
2/24/2012 9:17:16 PM #

Yep.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:13:45 PM #

It was perfectly justifiable. Absolutely!  Your first responsibility is to care for all living things on the planet. There was a high risk if injury to your dog if he ate that chocolate. I commend you for your concern for our four legged friends. The Cute Little Puppy agrees wholeheartedly.

Mary
Mary
2/23/2012 7:36:53 PM #

You did not share this chocolate with your wife?  shame on you! She is just as capable of protecting Homer as you are

rpa
rpa
2/24/2012 4:15:50 PM #

True.  But I offered her some and she did not want any.  She insists that she should not eat things like that, either.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/23/2012 7:37:43 PM #

The Bearcats are going to try to make Redfaced and me happy tonight. A win over UofL might bring a big smile to my face.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 8:10:30 PM #

You got that right Soccer.  I'm pulling for the Bearcats big time tonight.  

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/23/2012 8:29:21 PM #

  So the message from MLB is " If yoou're going to use banned substances, you better win an MVP award". This is worse than laughable. The first and only substance abuse suspension ever overturned is the reigning MVP on the team "formerly" owned by, currently supported by and entirely selected by the commish? Oh, and his daughter is running it. And the fact that he had it in his system isn't even being disputed, just the chain of possession of the sample? Hey, check the second sample already. Or better yet, botcott Brewers' games this year to protest the double standard. This guy has always been a piece of work.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/23/2012 8:58:08 PM #

Yes, I agree with everything you just said Dawg.

And let's make one thing clear.  I don't hate it for the Reds from a competition standpoint.  I'd rather beat the other team's best, it's the principal, it's the double standard and all of the connections you mentioned above Dawg that just absolutely irk me about this decision.  

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 9:50:56 PM #

The Collector shall check the “FedEx” box in the section entitled
“Specimen Bottles(s) Released to:” Absent unusual circumstances, the
specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day
they are collected.

That is the language from MLB on the chain of custody. I would argue that in this case the unusual circumstance was the stupidity of the collector.

And for all the blaming MLB, I really don't think they had a motivation here to get this overturned. This opens up a can of worms they don't want to open up. Bud Selig has this fancy idea that he will eliminate drugs from this sport, and that will be his lasting legacy.

He is pizzed off right now, is my bet.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 10:41:14 PM #

ctrent ‏ @ctrent  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
in the court of public opinion, #Braun will be seen as innocent as OJ

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 10:57:59 PM #

Ken Rosenthal now proclaims that due process works, and that's why Ryan Braun won his appeal.


It's cases like these where the principles of due process are abused, This is more like getting off of a criminal conviction for having 500 pounds of pot in your car b/c the cop that pulled you over illegally searched your car w/o probable cause.

Braun is a LUCKY SOB. That's it. I wish a sportswriter would have teh balls to come out and say it (and I know some eventually will, although I'm sure a reporter doesn't want to get barred from Milwaukee's locker room). Rosenthal and Calceterra have both come out and defended it. Dumb.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/23/2012 11:49:45 PM #

Jeff Passan ‏ @JeffPassan  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Looks like Braun's positive came after Game 1 of the NLDS. It was the only Saturday game played in Milwaukee.

New York Times gives the first hard hitting read:

www.nytimes.com/.../...-will-avoid-suspension.html

“You’re not going to grow synthetic testosterone just because it sat in a refrigerator over the weekend,” said Travis T. Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency. “It’s the best practice that when you can’t get it to the lab because it’s a weekend to keep it in the possession of the person who’s trained to handle it, the doping control officer.”

Nevertheless, the two-day delay allowed Braun’s lawyers to successfully raise doubts about the manner in which the sample was handled. The language governing baseball’s drug-testing program states that the testing service, “absent unusual circumstance,” is supposed to send urine samples to the laboratory on the same day they are collected.

And as a result of Thursday’s ruling, Major League Baseball will now instruct sample collectors to be sure that there are 24-hour FedEx centers available for drop-offs when a test is taken.

The test sample at issue revealed that Braun had unusually high levels of testosterone in his body compared with other positive tests, another issue that Braun’s lawyer cited in raising questions about the sample’s validity. The test showed a prohibited substance in Braun’s body, but not a steroid, according to the second person familiar with the appeals process. But the high reading was not the deciding factor in Das’s ruling, the same person said.

Jabberwocky
Jabberwocky
2/24/2012 1:38:28 PM #

Here's my question to that.  If the doping control officer does what he's supposed to do and drops the sample off at FedEx/Kinko's on Saturday night, the sample will not be delivered until Monday anyway because FedEx absolutely, positively DOES NOT deliver on Sunday.

So, is the appeal upheld anyway?  There's still a delay.  I call Shenanigans on the issue.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/24/2012 1:48:40 PM #

Exactly. What if they drop it off and Fed ex doesn't refridgerate it? Still MLB's problem?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 8:36:19 AM #

ramsey.mlblogs.com/.../

not even a question Ramsey!

DocProc
DocProc
2/24/2012 8:46:03 AM #

You're right, Champ--and I LOVE (and attend) Spring Training and Opening Day.

I had tickets for a playoff game that never happened two years ago.  I saw a dismal playoff game in 1995 (Peggie Sanders whiffed four times).  I'm ready to see a postseason win.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 9:03:09 AM #

right? All you need is cash and a planr ticket and you can see ST anytime. Opening day is a tough ticket but it happens every year. Playoffs are a Halley's Comet type of deal. I've been told I had a chance to see a game in 1979 vs Pirates but that would have been a loss too.

My dad decided to take a friend. I was just 7.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 10:48:10 AM #

eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/.../34974444

good one at the end by CTR

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 8:47:20 AM #

if this is the real deal for fat elvis I might have trouble not liking him. can that be a real stache???

http://twitpic.com/8o11rk

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/24/2012 9:30:24 AM #

Soccer, good win last night for your Bearcats.  Wish they could hit their freethrows down the stretch but they had some big time threes throughout the game and their defense didn't look all that bad at times either.  They've put themselves in a good spot if they finish the season strong they will have good seeding in the Big East tourney.  

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/24/2012 9:59:05 AM #


So many of MLB's problems stem from the freakin players union.  Just the fact that MLB and the Union rep are going to vote in opposition to eachother just because and let some independent 3rd party make the judgement is ridiculous.  

I hate the NFL, hate it, but a former Bengal used to frequent a bar that I hung out at a lot.  He wouldn't drink anything with Red Bull in it because he would fail a drug test if he was randomly tested the next morning.  There's no loophole or gray area there.  If the guy drank a redbull and had a drug test, he would fail.  There's a banned substance in there.  That's it.  This kind of stuff can't be that complicated.

Again, I hate the NFL but they do so many things right that MLB just can't seem to understand.  A salary cap would be a good thing for baseball, but the union won't allow it.  A lot of the problem with steroids and drug testing stemmed from union resistance too.  THE MLB UNION HAS TOO MUCH FREAKIN POWER.  They've almost killed the game a couple of times now, one day they might succeed.

DocProc
DocProc
2/24/2012 10:01:55 AM #

Preach it.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/24/2012 10:23:16 AM #

Just read an article about how the NFL is in danger of losing fans.  It's a perfect time to for the MLB to capitalize!  It won't though, we have a commissioner who always says, "MLB is more popular than it ever has been" and who seems to think that everything is just fine.  His answer is to add 1 more Wild Card team?  Really?   How about MLB and the union pulling their head out of their own rearends and put forth some legislation that will allow the league to be competitive and have some parity.  Baseball is really popular on both coasts, and a couple places in the Flyover region.  If they could come up with some way to make teams like the Reds, Pirates, KC to be competitive again, wow, would basebally really be more popular than ever.

Nah, we don't need parity, we have interleague play.  Everything is great!

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/24/2012 10:48:03 AM #

For those that don't remember what he looks like....

i304.photobucket.com/.../fat-elvis-costume.jpg

Amy
Amy
2/24/2012 3:48:36 PM #

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/24/2012 4:35:52 PM #

Funny,Amy!  I do love me some 7-10 Fat Elvis,though!

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/24/2012 7:16:25 PM #

lol...good one Amy....

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 10:48:32 AM #

i hate reply jail sooooooooooooo much

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/24/2012 11:23:13 AM #

I don't blame the players union at all.  They exist to protect the players, and they do that very well.  They do not exist to have a long term outlook for the game, so they are not concerned with the long-term erception that MLB has a drug problem.  

If you want to cast blame, cast it on MLB and the owners.  Of course the players want a system where one of the board members is a union guy, that way an appeal only has to sway one person instead of 2 of three.  By engineering the system, they have increased a players chance of appeal by 33%.  It's the equivalent of gerrymandering for drug users.  

When baseball signs off on the CBA, they establish this system.  If the system is broken, why did you sign off on it?  And if it was broken, why did you not fight it out with the union?  

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/24/2012 12:08:23 PM #

Just seems to me the health of the league is good for business and both sides should be concerned about it.  There's plenty of blame to go around to all sides, first and foremost the incompetent commissioner, but the players union only cares about fat paychecks and getting theres, and making sure their steriod bloated players don't get tested.  Maybe that's all the union's goals are I don't know.  Just seems like the health of the game is good for all parties involved not just the owners.

As for not signing off on the CBA, well usually that means we lose baseball.  We saw what that did in 94.  Nearly killed the game.  MLB fans take the game to heart.  When the players and owners screw the fans over like 94, the fans do take it as betrayal.  I don't think you have that some kind of attitude when it comes to NBA fans or NFL fans.  Plus with those sports when there is a lock out or strike, you have a quality alternative in college football and basketball.  When there's no MLB, there's just no baseball to watch.  

Anyway, like I said, plenty of blame to go around, I just don't think the players union gives a damn about the game or the health of the league.  I guess at the end of the day both sides are represented, but no one is there to represent the interest of the people who really matter, the fans.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 11:26:28 AM #

The Daily Show @TheDailyShow

#TDSBreakingNews The Dow's at 13,000! Too bad your house is at $13,000.

rpa
rpa
2/24/2012 4:31:31 PM #

Ah, investing.  

My favorite line about investing  is from a Futurama episode that was on today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QRTToTLzI


I would have been better off buying sandwiches instead of my house.  Would have held their value better.

Jabberwocky
Jabberwocky
2/24/2012 1:39:39 PM #

My prediction, bold and beautiful:

Reds 100-62.  Yes.  Again with the 100 wins.  This team has that potential again.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/24/2012 3:19:16 PM #

Here's a bold prediction: if the Reds go on a losing streak and the Cardinals are, once again, the class of the division, I'm going to stab someone in the neck with a fork and wipe up their blood with their stupid '2011 World Series Championship' T-shirt and ballcap.

Seriously. Every. Where. I. Go. I. See. Reminders. Of. Last. Year's. Nonsense.

I hate living in Missouri.

Amy
Amy
2/24/2012 3:43:17 PM #

That doesn't qualify as a bold prediction, Ash. I don't think that would surprise ANY of us. (Also, no one would blame you.)

Amy
Amy
2/24/2012 6:51:06 PM #

This is fun: www.starwars.com/.../?cs=qjz6zad3ss

ohioredsfan1
ohioredsfan1
2/24/2012 7:19:57 PM #

Think someone has way too much time on their hands.....

genewv
genewv
2/24/2012 7:35:12 PM #

You guys and gals are on top of your games, i see. Unfortunately, MLB cannot say the same.

Moral of this story is, for MLB, never test on a Sat., for users, it is a free day, and for Bud and the Brewers, it is redemption day.

For the rest of us, it's just crap.


Soccer,

Bearcats rolling, hope you get another one tonight.

RF and his Wildcats get one evry time they play,

And, my Mountaineers may never get another one the way they ar playing.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/24/2012 7:56:34 PM #

Final statemetns, at least for now:

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
"Neither Mr. Braun nor the MLBPA contended in the grievance that his sample had been tampered with or produced any evidence of tampering.”


T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Re Braun claim his 20-1 t/e ratio was 3X highest ever recorded: according to experts, have recorded as high as 70-1, and 20-1 not unusual.

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Braun suggesting sample was tampered with, but sources said all seals on samples and bag intact, and that fact wasn't disputed in hearing.

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Says he's considering legal options. Hasn't said whether that's against MLB, CDT, collector lab or ESPN.

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Says he was told his testosterone levels were "three times higher than ever recorded in history of drug testing."

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Says never had personal medical issue or STD (referring to rumor that was all over internet).

T.J. Quinn ‏ @TJQuinnESPN  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Q's #RyanBraun is sure to face: why not dispute test result? how did sample test positive for synth test?

espn.go.com/.../ryan-braun-defense-raises-more-questions-doping-experts

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/24/2012 7:58:40 PM #

The worst part is the lying. The whole "3X higher than any other positive test"

History of drug testing includes 13 MLBers who tested positive. Might want to look outside the sport to claim "history" matters.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/24/2012 8:02:46 PM #

Also, I would like to point out that these ESPN Outside the line guys and the NYT are the only ones still questioning Braun. ALL the big MLB writers like Heyman, Stark and Rosenthal are saying LOOK YOU WERE ALL WRONG HE WAS INNOCENT.

Disgusting to watch grown men grovel at the feet of a baseball player b/c they want continued access to him.

genewv
genewv
2/24/2012 8:21:50 PM #

Grizz,

You got it. Shameless.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/24/2012 10:07:41 PM #

Well - for all of us who think Mr Herpes may have been all-jacked-up, there is this. He cannot risk the possibility of another positive test. My guess is he loses about 15-20 lbs and 10-15 dingers.
Also - Bud Selig is a lying, cheatin, stealin, schedule riggin, price fixin, conivin, interferin,........ wake up members of the "press". Somebody write this story outside the template you COWARDS.!!!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/24/2012 10:18:24 PM #

No doubt griz...rosenthal is using his colon as a pillow.... hes so far up his ass.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/24/2012 11:46:47 PM #

Gene - I feel for you man, I really do.  I don't recall a team that has had so many heartbreaking losses.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 8:42:24 AM #

Not Reds Baseball related but a very cool video about baseball at the Polo Grounds in NY and what happened to it now.

http://vimeo.com/28966444

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 8:45:52 AM #

if this is real...what a tool

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...ceipt_n_1299280.html|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D138350

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 8:55:09 AM #

Lots of details on the Braun situation from the Outside the Lines guys.

Lots of detail here if the link works.

espn.go.com/.../ryan-braun-defense-raises-more-questions-doping-experts

rpa
rpa
2/25/2012 12:04:47 PM #

It doesn't really matter now.  Long story short, the Brewers get an assist (intentional or not) from MLB yet again.  Reds sank everything into this team with the hopes of winning the division this year, and it just got a bit tougher.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 9:32:05 AM #

in case the person you love doesn't love baseball and asks you questions like this you can be prepared. Uniforms on managers is one of my wife's big questions and frankly my answer was its always been that way. I guess I was wrong.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/118075

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/25/2012 10:18:22 AM #

Dude, you didn't ask me! I could have told you about the in the dugout and on the field rules. Just ask from now on,OK?  What's funny is National High School Federation has the same rules.
Honestly, I think MLB should redefine a managers uniform to something in team colors and logo and stop the embarrassment of old fat guys wearing tight synthetic knit clothing. See: Fat Elvis

genewv
genewv
2/25/2012 9:53:09 AM #

RF,

I am OK. We just can't finish. Our young guards are falling apart with the long season ( Including a pre-season trip to Italy ), everyone is feeling the pressure, and we just don't have anything close to a go to guy at the end. They are mentally beat down--as is Huggins.

Would love to see a little turn-around at season's end, but certainly not counting on it. Mental fatigue usually does not get better until the season is over.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/25/2012 10:57:02 AM #

Huggs teams tend to grind it out pretty well. Does Huggs still go real hard at practice every day like he used to?

genewv
genewv
2/25/2012 12:41:08 PM #

Yep. However, he has 8 freshmen on this team that have never played a 30 game plus schedule in high school( much less at a D-1 level in a rugged BE )plus an additional tour of Italy this summer before season started, and only three kids on the entire team that have a ounce of experience.

They are just wore to a frazzle mentally by the schedule, multiple games Huggins approach, and he is worn down due to the fact they can't take it, finish games--and, he ain't getting any younger. The perfect storm.

rpa
rpa
2/25/2012 12:05:38 PM #

I really need to start spending more time standing on line to buy sneakers.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 1:10:44 PM #

Police had to break out the riot gear here for the galaxy release

I meant to write the riot and not theriot.

Amy
Amy
2/25/2012 2:06:31 PM #

Awesome picture: http://pic.twitter.com/5sSLzP43

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 2:25:56 PM #

ondrusek looks short next to Brackman

Amy
Amy
2/25/2012 4:49:30 PM #

Right? I expected him to be the tallest one, then realized, hey, that's not Ondrusek.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/25/2012 3:06:02 PM #

Will Carroll, guy that used to work for Baseball prospectus and go by the name injuryexpert, is now freelance. He wrote a story that nobody picked up, so he is selling it on amazon. He's also tweeting links to bloggers that suggest that Carroll's version of the story is being silenced b/c the mainstream media doesn't want teh truth to get out.

The real reason? Carroll is a doofus. During the arbitration hearing, it was shown that it was synthetic testosterone that caused the positive, not bacterial growth. Carroll's entire argument is based on bacterial growth. He even links to an article of an olympian from 1996 that got off on such a claim.

Again, the problem? There wasn't any bacterial growth. This ain't 1996 anymore. We know how to test things. Syntehtic testosterone doesn't grow in a jar of pee.

What a jackhole. I stopped following him about 6 months ago for a reason. Started following him again 3 days ago. He's already getting the unfollow treatment.

rpa
rpa
2/25/2012 3:25:58 PM #

I think they should do away with the rule requiring managers to wear uniforms and replace it with a rule requiring them to wear three-piece suits.  And the suit has to be in team colors.

I think Dusty would look awesome arguing with an ump wearing this:

www.carolynallens.com/.../la_strada_742.htm

It's amazing what you can find in 5 seconds with a well-crafted google search.

Amy
Amy
2/25/2012 4:11:01 PM #

Just think of the opportunities for Ozzie Guillen's Marlins wardrobe.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/25/2012 4:42:37 PM #

Looks like something Annie Lennox would wear in a video shoot. And I'm jealous. I want that same getup to wear out to dinner and drinks. That's pretty sharp.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/25/2012 5:44:35 PM #

who's seen how TLR is spending his spring? WTF?


mlb.sbnation.com/.../tony-larussa-tigers-cardinals-all-stars-national-league

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/26/2012 1:50:25 AM #

Could you imagine how disgusting a fat manager would be in a suit in the dugout.  Temp on the field is 125, it's humid as hell and a coach like Lassorda, Cox, or Pinella are decked out in a suit lol.  I don't get the whole manager in uniform  thing, but I can't see them decked out nice either.  Although I don't know why they can't just dress like a trainer.  A Reds golf shirt and some khakis should be adequate.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/26/2012 8:51:40 AM #

Weren't some of our gang headed to Goodyear to view practice and workouts this week? If anyone is there, could you try to see a Rolen BP session? I am interested in whether he gets good extension on the swing and a complete follow through. Do both hands stay on the bat all the way around?
I really think the condition of his shoulder is key to the Reds' chances this season. If he's good, they roll. If he's not, they battle.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 9:55:27 AM #

I think someone was going out early. I wont be there until 3/15

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/26/2012 12:28:43 PM #

Mary maybe?

Mary
Mary
2/26/2012 12:38:54 PM #

Not me--I think it may have been Statmom

Amy
Amy
2/26/2012 1:36:24 PM #

DocProc and son are headed out soon, too.

DocProc
DocProc
2/26/2012 2:27:27 PM #

March 9 and 10.

statmom
statmom
2/26/2012 7:06:03 PM #


I was there last Monday but there was nothing to report. Too early.  Absolutely nothing going on.  The team shop was open, but everyone else had left by the time I got there.  Meetings the next two days did not end until 4:00 p.m.  Very disappointing.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 4:29:58 PM #

Griz is right on. Why would you extend Phillips at this point? If Votto is sure to walk then sign him if its team friendly. He's going to want 4 or 5 years and the Reds should only offer him 2 years with a mutual option for a 3rd(at best).

Rolen is off the books next season and Arroyo will be easier to deal after 2012 if he pitches well so that could free up some room. I'd rather clear room for Votto and let HRod or Cozart handle 2B for a bit.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 9:54:22 AM #

Jamie Ramsey @Jamieblog


Reports are that the Brewers have already sold 1.6 million tickets for the 2012 season. That's mighty impressive. 1.6 million. Already.

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 11:54:25 AM #

Those people have to drink someplace.  There are no Packers games until Fall.

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/26/2012 2:27:32 PM #

Joel Luckhaupt ‏ @jluckhaupt  
@Jamieblog I heardPhillies have already sold 3.1M. Good gravy.

Some teams are just on a different playing field then Cincinnati.  But there's no good excuse for the Brewers to draw 3.0M+ and the Reds be so far behind.

Amy
Amy
2/26/2012 1:46:30 PM #

Mark Sheldon ‏ @m_sheldon
Gregorious is picking it big time at SS during double play drills.Had three very impressive plays #reds

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/26/2012 1:53:56 PM #

Marshall extension? Sign me up.

It's interesting though that his can get done and there's no real progress with Phillips or Votto.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/26/2012 2:12:59 PM #

No interest in re-signing BP to a long term deal like he wants, no interest on Votto's part to enter into contract negotiations.

Sean Marshall? He probably knows that relievers need to cash in when they can, history isn't kind to them.

DocProc
DocProc
2/26/2012 2:33:01 PM #

I'd be really happy to see an extension for Marshall.  We gave up some good chips in that deal, so I'd like it to be more than a one-year rental.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 4:30:45 PM #

Griz is right on. Why would you extend Phillips at this point? If Votto is sure to walk then sign him if its team friendly. He's going to want 4 or 5 years and the Reds should only offer him 2 years with a mutual option for a 3rd(at best).

Rolen is off the books next season and Arroyo will be easier to deal after 2012 if he pitches well so that could free up some room. I'd rather clear room for Votto and let HRod or Cozart handle 2B for a bit.

Mother F...ing reply jail

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 4:42:18 PM #

4 or 5 years of Phillips at what - $14 mil/yr?

Guh.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 5:07:12 PM #

exactly...can't sign that guy for what he wants. As bad as I feel about it he needs walk. He's 31 in June. I'll take him for 2 more seasons but he's not taking a 2 year deal...not from us.

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 5:20:19 PM #

Hopefully the team is smart enough to take the heat from the fans and not do something stupid which cripples the franchise for 3 years (see Larkin, Barry).

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 5:28:11 PM #

As dumb as it was Larkin was an icon and a future HOF'r. It was somewhat justifiable. Brandon is not Larkin so I can't see them offering a 4 or 5 year deal. That said dumber things have happened.

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 5:25:48 PM #

I know baseball season is here when Joel Zumaya has had his season ending arm injury.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 5:29:20 PM #

I was just about to post the same thing. Now it TJ for him. That guy can't catch a break.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 5:38:07 PM #

I just sat through the Phantom Menace at the theater with my 7 year old. It was just a terrible as I remember. That Jake Lloyd kid was worse than I remember, Jar Jar stepped in poop and smelled a fart(was this Shrek?)and the CGI in the Naboo battle scene might as well have been a cartoon. Terrible. Then to ruin it all, the coolest character he created and the best thing about the movie was sliced in two, never to return again.

Whats worse was the entire script and dialogue. Lucas is a terrible film maker. Thankfully he did not have this technology when he made the first 2.

He is also one of the worst at casting for key characters. Hamill, Lloyd and Christensen were all awful.

At least the boy liked and and he had a chance to see it in a theater setting which makes it more tolerable than DVD. The 3D did nothing to enhance the film although it enhanced the ticket price.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/26/2012 5:44:50 PM #

Champ, I suffered through it again two weeks ago with my 6 yr old daughter.  Even she stated... "Daddy, that's just not a very good Star Wars movie."  I of course agreed but didn't get into the minute details why, most of which you already stated.  

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 5:41:55 PM #

Not one player from the Astros' opening-day lineup of 2011 is likely to be on the field at the same position on April 6 when Houston opens its season at home against the Colorado Rockies. The only possibilities are pitcher Brett Myers and catcher Humberto Quintero. Carlos Lee, who played left field in last season's opener, will be at first base if he is still on the roster.

Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/26/2012 5:55:55 PM #

espn.go.com/.../houston-astros

Brett Meyers, Wandy Rodriguez, JA Happ, and Bud Norris coudl win them some games. No one else will.

If two of those guys get hurt, watch out.

rpa
rpa
2/26/2012 6:22:48 PM #

A couple of key injuries and that team could lose 120 games.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/26/2012 5:49:13 PM #

I know it's early Spring but this doesn't have me feeling very optimistic about Bronson bouncing back - "Bronson Arroyo got hit around pretty good in live batting practice." - from Fay's blog.  

Aren't pitchers supposed to be ahead of the hitters at this point?  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 6:05:07 PM #

My guess Bronson isn't trying to fool anyone. He's probably trying to get his velocity up.

After a couple starts in the exhibition games we should have a better feel if he's in trouble.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/26/2012 6:06:51 PM #

I like this part from Fay today

After catching Aroldis Chapman, Devin Mesoraco called him over and talked about arm angles.

“Here is horsesh!t,” Mesoraco said with his arm a sidearm angle.

“Here is bueno.” Mesoraco said with his arm overhead.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 8:15:06 AM #

If you are a baseball player and don't speak English,horseshit is one of the first words you learn. A classic baseball word.

Amy
Amy
2/26/2012 6:29:43 PM #

Tom ‏ @Haudricourt
Bengie Molina actually retired weeks ago but he's so slow, word just got out.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/26/2012 7:05:52 PM #

OK - The Molina and Zumaya comments both made me laugh out loud. Baseball is back, and not a day too soon. Now let's have a scrimmage!

Amy
Amy
2/26/2012 7:25:03 PM #

In ex-Red news, Chris Dickerson cleared waivers and was outrighted to the Yankees' AAA team.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 7:47:59 AM #

What, no Oscar chatter here last night?

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 7:51:03 AM #

Oscar who? Did we sign another free agent?   Smile

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 8:18:43 AM #

No, I think the Yankees signed him.
www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/...ppsTradedGamble.jpg

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 8:30:32 AM #

Here are the movies I've seen this past year

The Muppet Movie which I thought was really good.I saw it with The Little Guy and three of his friends. Ever since then they act like Muppets singing "Am I a man or am I a Muppet",all the while making ridiculous faces.

War Horse was really good.
Red Tails sucked. The story deserved a much better movie.
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close was really good.

Diary Of a Wimpy Kid was kind of entertaining,but even The Little Guy thought it was,"kinda stupid".

That pretty much covers it. I didn't see Moneyball, because it seemed kind of boring.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 9:14:58 AM #

I've only seen the Muppet Movie, of the nominated films. Once upon a time, I would've seen most if not all of them, but you all know how that goes. I did read The Help, and it was a fine book, but not revelatory in any way to me. I mean, when I lived in Birmingham, there were still buses discharging maids every morning in the rich neighborhoods. And I'll spare you all my speech about the racist idiots I worked with (until I quit, which was related to that), but I will just say that, although there are good people who live there, those attitudes are alive and well, and not limited to pre-civil-rights-era fiction.

And wow, that went in an unintended direction. Sorry, guys, I'm kind of mentally struggling--have been trying to get some minor medical stuff under control and what it's boiled down to is, I can either have my (admittedly limited) full mental faculties, or I can be in pain. So I might be a little cranky (okay, *crankier*) from time to time, because after a month or so of a very fogged-up brain, I've had enough. I can live with a little pain better than that. It's not so bad.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:40:10 AM #

Hang in there Amy.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 9:57:43 AM #

I hated the Muppet Movie. What is wrong with me? Do I have a soul?

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 9:59:43 AM #

I didn't like The Muppet Movie, either--and I'm a HUGE muppet fan.  Just a contemporary rehash of the first one from a couple of decades ago.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:33:56 AM #

You both have little or no soul.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 10:37:05 AM #

I have so much muppet soul that my wife and I actually had a Kermie and Piggy in wedding attire on top of our wedding cake.  Smile

genewv
genewv
2/27/2012 9:39:43 AM #

Amy,

Sorry to hear you are having medical issues. Will say a prayer for you. Hopefully things get better for you soon.

Soccer,

Last movie I saw at a that was not on TV was K-9, I think. Only about 20 years ago. It was pretty good.

genewv
genewv
2/27/2012 9:42:11 AM #

Man, I can't even get one sentence out that does not butcher the English language.

Changed my mind in mid-stream as to how I was going to say it, but my fingers just stayed with the original thought. Has nothing to do with medication, by the way, just old age and worms.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/27/2012 10:11:04 AM #


Soccer, I didn't think I was going to like Moneyball either, but quite honestly, I thought it was great.  I was thinking, well this is pretty predictable, we know what the A's were able to do, we know they still haven't won a title, and we know that Beane is still there.  I did find it really interesting the way he interacted with the scouts, how they gave a backstory about Beane going through the system of being a can't miss prospect, to a failed MLB player etc.  They actually did a pretty good job of taking a story that quite honestly wasn't all that interesting(I mean it was cool how they changed baseball's way of evaluating players) and making it a great movie.

I know you aren't a stat head, and quite honestly neither am I, but after watching the movie I have to question the methods of scouts too.  They are just as flawed as guys who only rely on statistics to evaluate guys.  Scouts overlook guys for off the field issues, the way they throw a ball.  Not the velocity or even the mechanics, just the delivery itself.  They were going to pass on old David Justice because he was old.  They wanted to pass on a guy because his pitching delivery was odd.  He never had arm problems and had always been pretty good.  They didn't want Jeremy Giambi because he liked to party off the field.  

Anyway, if you like baseball, it's worth watching.  I don't know all the back story but from what I understand Jonah Hill's role was a ficticious character who was made up for the movie.  I'm sure not all the details are exact, but it was interesting to see how he said here are the players we're going after, the scouts calling him nuts, Art Howe refused to play the players he brought on, and how Beane handled it.  It was very entertaining.  Made me look at player evaluation a little differently too.  I don't buy into all the advanced stats and all that, all the time, but I do think they have value after watching the movie.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 10:13:44 AM #

I saw and liked The Artist, Hugo (in 3D), and The Help (but liked the book better).  But I enjoyed Moneyball more than all three of those, and I liked Ides of March better, too.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:37:25 AM #

Who were you all wearing?  I was wearing Nike,Adidas,New Balance and a lovely red New Era tiara.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:48:22 AM #

While we are all off topic here, Has anyone Seen the HBO series, The Pacific? It is a much more somber and downbeat than Band of Brothers. It is probably a close representation of what the war in the Pacific was really like,judging by the stories my dad told me. It is cold,harsh,brutal and completely inhuman,but also pretty darned good. It's certainly not for everyone.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:02:38 AM #

saw it on its initial run on HBO. I really liked it. I liked how BoB flowed and how it stuck mostly with one unit and many of the same characters.

The Pacific was very different although I think it finally gave you a feel for what that front was all about. Not until Eastwood directed Flags of Our Fathers was this theater represented well in films.

It wasn't as entertaining as BoB but if I didn't have BoB to compare it too it would have given it high marks.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:27:26 AM #

BoB was much more about comradeship during and after the war. The Pacific was about survival, both during and after the war. Eastwood did a great job in Letters From Iwo Jima, also.
I got the DVD set of The Pacific and watched it all in two days. I was in kind of a mental funk for a couple of days afterwards. It's a lot to absorb in a couple of days. I kind of had the same feeling after I saw Schindler's List.
Red Tails deserved "Glory". It got "Windtalkers".

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:19:16 AM #

I love that Gene has not seen a movie at the theater in 20 years. Even funnier that his last movie was K-9 and he remembers it. I've seen it but until he said it I forgot it ever existed...as we all should.

IMDB says if you like this you should like Miss Congeniality.

It was a 1989 release so that actually makes it like 22 or 23 years

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:32:27 AM #

It didn't get to WV until 1991.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:34:57 AM #

OK...that's damn funny

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 10:56:32 AM #

I was wearing Calvin Klein and Kohl's private label brand jeans and footwear provided by Nike.

I saw Rango...that was a winner right? I also saw the Descendants. Depressing but very good(not great). Clooney was very good as was the girl playing the oldest daughter.

I can't believe I've not seen moneyball but then again I own the Fighter on DVD and still haven't popped that in yet.

Mostly...i don't give a crap anymore. I just see crap like the Smurfs or Rango or the George Lucas dung I sat through yesterday.

At least my boy is getting older and sitting through Captain America, Iron Man or the Avengers is an upgrade over the Smurfs.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:16:04 AM #

I missed the Smurfs.The Little Guy is way to cool for that. I heard it was painful.The Little Guy hated Rango. I was lucky to miss that one. That was a SocMom trip.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:24:31 AM #

lucky you. Rango wasn't bad...OK for 1st grader and a Kinder kid.

Smurfs...just awful. I only like Grouchy and he was not nearly grouchy enough. He is supposed to hate everything.

Red Tails was another George Lucas colossal F up. Great idea but his scripts are terrible.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 12:24:15 PM #

The dialogue in Red Tails was straight out of an actual wartime movie. Absolutely brutal to listen to. I was expecting William Bendix to pop in at any time.
Be glad your kids are younger. In my life i have suffered through The Spice Girls Movie,The Pokemon Movie,assorted Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen movies,some ridiculous super hero movie from about 12 years ago, the title of which,fortunately escapes my mind.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 10:57:02 AM #

Amy...no crankiness in Goodyear. Do I need to bring the flask?

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 11:21:33 AM #

Yay for the flask! The sun will help, too.

Thanks, guys--like I said, nothing major. All the females in my family get arthritis, but I'm getting it 10-15 years sooner and several times worse than normal. Stupid overachieving tendencies.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:21:00 AM #

Oh wait....baseball

John Fay @johnfayman

Marshall said he'll talk about the extension later today. Wouldn't say how many years. "I can't say anything. But I'm very happy."

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 11:23:31 AM #

The attire was Fruit of the Loom, Levi,and BVD. All accentuated with TopSider flip-flops and a Dockers belt (real classy).  A hostess was spotted browing the crowd with complimentary Vodka/lemon drops and Crunch and Munch. Some choclate footballs were also available. All attention seemed to be on MLB Network, Current TV (I know, a Conservative watching that ?), and RedsOctober. The only mention of Oscar was once I called Al Gore an "Oscar Meyer" product name.  

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:30:07 AM #

I'm sure you were stunning!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:26:51 AM #

http://dallaslatosmlb.wordpress.com/


Is this a regular event on mlb.com?

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 11:27:35 AM #

I like her so much.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:34:14 AM #

I kinda think I do too. I wasn't expecting that.

Its that feeling I got when I saw Sideways and 50/50. What is this crap and then the huh, that was pretty good sensation.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:38:55 AM #

I think I would like her. She kind of reminds me of someone I know.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 12:08:26 PM #

You and I both, Amy.  I just signed up for her blog.

Mary
Mary
2/27/2012 1:13:16 PM #

I like her definition of normal:

We enjoy the typical things- owning 70+ reptiles, getting excessive amounts of tattoos, compulsively fishing and spending some nights on the couch yelling at each other during NBA games. We’re pretty simple.

I've been following her on twitter for a couple of months and really enjoy her sense of humor

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 11:28:32 AM #

My Oscars attire was yoga pants and a...we'll call it "vintage"...t-shirt. I am fancy, y'all.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 12:14:50 PM #

Yoga pants and a vintage t are so trendy.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 12:42:11 PM #

I said vintage, but ratty is probably a more accurate description.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 1:09:02 PM #

We haven't discussed your ridiculously over priced hoodie in a while.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 11:36:14 AM #

crap...I'm supposed to be working here

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 12:29:39 PM #

From Fay
Didi Gregorius has made an impression on most everyone in camp with his ability at shortstop.

“I heard about him from people in Dayton,” Baker said. “I heard about him from people here. He’s a fine young man. I had a good conversation with him about his family. I’m more impressed that he speaks five languages than anything.”

Gregorius is from the Netherlands. But he’s fluent in baseball’s two main languages — England and Spanish.

How's his profanity? That's baseball's number one language.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 12:30:51 PM #

Atta boy, Fay!  England is a language. Who knew?

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/27/2012 1:27:04 PM #

If England is it's own language, Liverpool must be a dialect, right?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 2:04:07 PM #

Liverpool is definitely a dialect,as is Scotland. I used to ask SocSon what his coach said and he'd reply,"Who knows"?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 12:33:45 PM #

My best friend at work had an exchange student from the netherlands. If he's anything like that kid his profanity is pretty good. He was a quick study. In that house you'll hear eF the effing effers regularly, unedited of course.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 12:35:23 PM #

I can't find the Spring Training list--is a Billy Hamilton in the major league camp?

I'm seeing a split squad in Scottsdale and would love to get a peek at either Gregorius or Hamilton in that game.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 12:51:37 PM #

Hamilton is not on a list of invitees but Didi is. He's number 68.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 12:52:50 PM #

Thanks, Champ!

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 12:37:22 PM #

My wife was born in Rotterdam. Lived there until she was 13. She speaks fluent Dutch and English, some German, Flemish, French, and Spanish. She is also very good at profanity in most of these. Smile

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 12:43:13 PM #

Found this on teh Fayman's blog--apologies if someone's already linked to it. Marty's thoughts on the coming season, plus some great video:

http://youtu.be/MUK7t9C_83M

genewv
genewv
2/27/2012 2:02:53 PM #

Champ,

Now you know why I don't participate in the off season threads all that much, when things tend to be as much non-baseball, as baseball--as it should be.

So, K-9 is 22-23 years old. Makes me sad, as I know for a fact the dog is now dead that last entertained me at my last movie theater appearance. Ah, the passing of another era in my life. Can't be too many era's left.

Of course, we often live longer down here, as the eras. fads, movies, etc., etc., do get here much later.

You don't think that is a fact? Well, let me tell you. I had a student one time that was not so much the student, if you get my meaning. He was pointing out some place on the map for his WV History class ( my friends class, not mine )--sure he was correct in his  map reading skills--which, of course, he was not. It was a WV map, so teacher says, Bimbo ( yep, that was his nick name ), I can't believe you have lived here all your life and don't know where ------ is in the next county over! How old are you?---in a very disgusting, negative way. Bimbo announces in a very negative tone of his own, I am 14, 'posed to be 15, but you held me back a year!

True story--the stuff legends are made of.

So you see, there are advantages to being way behind--you live longer being one of them. I like it here.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 2:09:42 PM #

3-year extension for Marshall. Details not yet announced (anywhere I've seen, anyway).

SilentBob
SilentBob
2/27/2012 2:12:18 PM #

I heard it was only 'posed to be 2 years but Walt held him back a year.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 2:16:51 PM #

+eleventy

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:26:40 PM #

Gene is a classic. He can spin tale.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:30:37 PM #

Gene should be participating in all non baseball conversations. He thinks he has little to add but his contributions are always entertaining, intentional or not.

His perspective is so different and I love it when someone comes at something from totally outside my comfort zone. Thats why I love AAT's contributions so much. He makes me think and even when i disagree I have to consider his valid opinion.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 2:41:21 PM #

Was Bimbo Gene's point guard?
Gene is a great contributor, no matter the topic or what month it is.

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 2:29:10 PM #

REALLY happy about this.  Makes the trade that much better.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 2:30:03 PM #

Hey Gene - How 'bout Latos' wife - err I mean Dallas - talking about fishing with her hubbie? Not exactly what you'd expect out of 20 something millionaires, huh?

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 2:35:05 PM #

Somebody tell him if he wins 15 games or more this year I'll spring for a 10,000 islands light tackle charter for him and Dallas... as long as I can go along.   Smile

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 2:35:27 PM #

Ken Rosenthal ‏ @Ken_Rosenthal  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Interesting aspect to Marshall extension: $2M in performance bonuses each year. Half for games finished, half for games started. #Reds #MLB

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:36:08 PM #

details are in and Fay needs to eat his tie or whatever. Some random twitter follower called it and Fay shot down the idea of 16mil.

Not quite clear if the 16mil includes a renegotiation of 2012 or if its 16 mil over 3 years which seems steep.


The Reds announced a three-year extension with lefty reliever Sean Marshall, which runs through 2015.  The contract is worth $16.5MM, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  The 29-year-old has yet to throw a pitch for his new team, having been acquired from the Cubs in a December trade.  Marshall, a client of Meister Sports Management, was already under control through 2012 due to a previous two-year deal

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 2:41:18 PM #

Maybe he should eat a green hat.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:40:27 PM #

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

Interesting aspect to Marshall extension: $2M in performance bonuses each year. Half for games finished, half for games started.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:41:53 PM #

Griz...you have no soul. Forgot to mention that and you beat me to the punch because i was watching a wind interrupted jocketty interview

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 2:48:15 PM #

I am a Muppets fan....movie just seemed rather bland to me.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:50:23 PM #

it was just jealousy that you beat me to the Rosenthal quote

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:43:11 PM #

keithlaw @keithlaw
Yeesh. “@MLB: BREAKING: @Reds and LHP Sean Marshall agree to 3-year contract extension through 2015.”

Right. Plus that could be Votto $. “@CrockettTM: Just hate RP extensions in general, right? Nothing specifically against Marshall.”

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 2:49:02 PM #

I like the deal, personally. It could be bad, it could be great.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:52:31 PM #

Resident tool can always be a debbie downer.

I like the deal as well and its the only way in my mind that I can justify giving up what we gave up to get him.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 2:54:56 PM #

If the ownership spends nothing for the next two years, using the Resident Tool's "that could be Votto money" theory, that still might not be enough for Votto money. Gotta win in the two-year window, then see what happens.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 2:56:13 PM #

I had a similar thought

Here is Marshall. Doesn't sound like he gets to talk to the press very often.

http://www.twitvid.com/ARBRQ

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 3:00:32 PM #

Why do older reporters always look like they're one bad internet decision away from ending up on TCAP?

Also, I'm torn between giving him props for still using the reporter's notebook and wondering wtf, man, where's your voice recorder?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 3:05:17 PM #

they're like $100 on line??? How accurate can he be? Shit...just take video with your phone. He looks like a flip phone guy though.

Sorry to offend any flip phoners out there.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 3:15:17 PM #

Oh, not even that much. They're supercheap. I wouldn't do a reporter gig these days without one.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 3:18:11 PM #

I found another angle in a picture posted by the Reds on facebook where he has a recorder in the same hand as the pad.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 3:23:09 PM #

Oh, good. Now I feel bad about making a TCAP joke. Uhhh, wait, no I don't.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 3:17:01 PM #

They could have used that 16 million to buy 16 million LOTTERY TICKETS!!! BOOYAH LETS WIN THE MEGA MILLIONS AND SIGN JOEY!! WOOT WOOT.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 3:33:46 PM #

Who needs a lucrative tv contract? Get 'em some scratch-offs.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/27/2012 2:55:00 PM #

I saw the latest TRON movie this past year.  It wasn't bad, certainly wouldn't call it great by any means.  Looking forward to John Carter next month though.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 3:00:21 PM #

My boy really wants to see John Carter. Disney channel has been pumping that one way up.

In the trailers before the Phantom Menace they played the new re-boot of Spider-man as well.

To quote my 7 year old "Oh yeah, we're seeing that one".

Initially I was like a re-boot again??? The extended trailer really made it look very good. Its darker than the Toby McGuire version. Kind of a Dark Knight feel.

SilentBob
SilentBob
2/27/2012 3:04:58 PM #

In comments about the extension Walt mentions "flexibility in the future". We now have a left-handed potential starter for the next four years. Does this mean that the front office sees Chapman as a bust? Am I reading too much into this?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 3:14:38 PM #

I think it allows you to move Marshall into a closer role. He could be a starter as well. If Chapman can't cut it in the rotation he could still be a tough lefty out of the pen. Marshall was once a real lefty prospect as a lefty.

His incentives work both ways so he can make more depending on how we use him.

genewv
genewv
2/27/2012 4:59:23 PM #

Bob,

LOL at your Marshall contract extension. Understood it immediately. Interesting , but disturbing thought, on Chapman.

Soccer,

Unfortunately, i have had a few  Bimbo PG's, and the records for those years show it. The one Bimbo I would have liked to have gotten, Bimbo Coles decided to stay home at Greenbrier East near White Sulphur Springs--home of The Greenbrier. Said something about the Greenbier, surrounding area, being prettier than the coal mining camps down here. Never understood that.

Dawg,

Depends on what Lato's wife is fishing for? 10,000 lakes fishing trip, nice. Hope i make it back to Canada this year. Still up in the air. If I don't have a partner, [i]maybe she will go?

Champ,

I know you will be shocked, but i still have my flip phone, have had it since 2003. When hippies first thought bibs were in style, we were just giving them up.

Doc,

I, too, love the Marshall extension, by the way. It does make the trade a lot more positive. I would think there was at least a handshake to that affect before the trade was made?


Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 5:49:56 PM #

I remember Bimbo Coles very well. I saw him play against UC many times. They were in the same conference then.

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/27/2012 6:19:51 PM #

Hey gang!

Mary
Mary
2/27/2012 6:39:42 PM #

Hey, yourself.  Long time, no hear from you.  Must be just about time for baseball again.

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/27/2012 6:44:57 PM #

Ha!  Yeah, I was roaming around for awhile.  Back in Cincy finally.

Boy, am I ready for some baseball.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 6:47:20 PM #

What the hell, Bartender? Still working in the area?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 6:48:21 PM #

Glenfiddich with a splash,when you get time.

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/28/2012 1:12:56 PM #

One order at a time guys!

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 6:43:39 PM #

Excellent. Knob Creek manhattan, please.

(Nice to hear from you, sir.)

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/27/2012 6:21:27 PM #

Would someone please get the bartender's attention for me... oh never mind.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 6:51:22 PM #

Mr. Bartender and Silent Bob and Jabberwocky sightings! What about Rockerman,Votto Loco,Brian from Utah?

DocProc
DocProc
2/27/2012 7:18:00 PM #

It's fun to see all those names, Soc.  And while you're at it, what about Batsfan?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:32:01 PM #

Also MIA for a while has been Davey4HOF and BJS has been goune for a couple threads too.

Statmom and Ohio Reds fan have made cameos on this thread.

Where the heck did the Bartender come from? He's been gone almost as long as the one who shall remain unnamed.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:33:58 PM #

I'm guessing many of our old friends will wake from their slumber and pop in every now and then.

As much as I love hearing from the regulars a fresh voice is always welcome.

Mary
Mary
2/27/2012 9:11:44 PM #

another MIA is Donkey Dizzle--he popped in earlier this year with a brief "what's up?" post and returned to silence.  Must be out in that minivan with the two kidlets...

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 9:50:23 PM #

I get daily updates on his shenanigans. He's crazy as ever.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 7:25:10 PM #

Ken Rosenthal ‏ @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Molina, #STLCards "very close" on five-year extension. #MLB

FIVE years? Bahahaha.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:36:22 PM #

I think that makes him 35 at the end of the deal so that up there in Latino catcher years.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:42:17 PM #

And speaking of old catchers...a guy I knew from little league and high school ball is calling it quits. I never played with him but I played against him for 6 seasons and many of my friends played with him. There wasn't a tougher more difficult out. He played every game with a high level of intensity. I hate that he played in Boston but I respect the hell out of him.

Nice career J

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors

Jason Varitek To Retire bit.ly/wDYUhc #mlb

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 9:52:23 PM #

Varitek epitomizes what a catcher should be.

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 9:00:33 PM #

They'll have to strap him to someone else's back to get him to first base in about three years. Good luck with that deal.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:43:33 PM #

Marc Topkin @TBTimes_Rays

New #Rays DH Luke Scott had 2 7 1/2-foot hunting spears in the clubhouse today, said he has used them to kill wild pigs

Amy
Amy
2/27/2012 8:55:02 PM #

That dude's gonna go nuts one day and shoot up the clubhouse or something.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:05:25 PM #

I'm not getting close enough to a wild pig to use a spear.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 8:49:42 PM #

Rob Neyer on Heisey and Ludwick situation

mlb.sbnation.com/.../dusty-baker-reds-left-fielders-complex-platooning

statmom
statmom
2/27/2012 8:59:43 PM #



I finally remembered to tune in to the Reds Rewind game today, even if it wasn't until the 7th inning.  Looks like an old one.  Dennis Reyes is pitching to Mark Grace.  

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 9:53:14 PM #

The Big Sweat!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 9:07:52 PM #

Sheldon on Francis(interesting tidbit), Phipps and Latos' bad BP session

cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/.../article.jsp

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 9:08:31 PM #

AP says Marshall will make $4.5 million in '13, $5.5 million in '14 and $6.5 million in '15. Could get $1 mill more a year if closes. #reds

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 9:37:58 PM #

Would you rather have 2 yadier Molina's on your team or Pujols and Sean Marshall? Pujols at 25 million per, Marshall at 5 mil per, Molina at 15 mil per.

You kidding me St. Louis? That's awful and stupid. Nice job Mozeliak. Hail to the Cubs!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 9:42:59 PM #

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

Molina average salary of $14M-$15M in new deal with #STLCards would be second-highest ever for catcher behind Mauer at $23M.

How long before the Res Tool has an opinion on this one...probably won't say sh!t.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 9:43:54 PM #

that's twice today, FYI

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 9:48:10 PM #

I actually saw yours that time...I just wanted to put the actual tweet out there and then comment on Keith Law.

He picked on the Marshall extension. Waiting to see if he says anything on the deal.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 9:49:11 AM #

Alyson Footer @alysonfooter
Brett Myers moving to closer role, Brad Mills tells media.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 9:43:12 PM #

Pujols: 30.7 WAR since 08, 47.1 since 2006. Molina: 12.7 WAR since 08, 14.9 WAR since 06.

Same age. You'd rather invest 75 million in Molina over 5 years than 225 in Pujols over 10?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 10:01:08 PM #

I don't pay catchers that kind of money,especially ones that are more defensively oriented. One foul ball off the shoulder or the knees start to act up and he has very little values as a first baseman. Mauer can hit, so even if he never catches another game,he can earn that coin. 75% of the Yad Hole's value is behind the dish.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/27/2012 11:14:14 PM #

Big question: w/ a fully guaranteed contract, what's his motivation? The other 2 Molina's never really felt the need to keep themselves in great shape as they aged, not sure Yadier will either.

bjsReds1
bjsReds1
2/27/2012 10:41:14 PM #

I'm still around and checking in periodically.  The past couple weeks at work have been crazy.  Add in the fact that I think I may have a stress fracture or something in my leg and I've got several weeks to figure out how to coach 4 year olds in t-ball, and life is crazy right now.

I'm counting down the days though!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/27/2012 11:38:31 PM #

FB message me and I have a few things that can help with the T ball thing.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/27/2012 10:53:11 PM #

Anybody have any experience with Plasma TV issues? I was removing a stand and installing a wall mount and when I turned it on, it just makes a "ernt" sound and the screen stays black. Sound comes on but no picture.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/27/2012 10:58:39 PM #

Put your question with the tv model in to google and ask your question. I always get something that way

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/28/2012 7:33:04 AM #

The Reds like to keep things moving at camp every morning and don't waste a lot of time between drills and throwing sessions.

"That's what I've always done," Baker said. "I'm a bit of a perfectionist, at least that's what my wife and family tells me all the time. I like precision. I don't like standing around. I like guys moving. I like them busy and I like them on time. In my normal life, I'm probably over organized, if there is such a thing, and very time efficient."

If this is true, I think I would love playing for Baker.  I used to hate soccer practice because our coach was the total opposite: unorganized, made it up as we went, and drills were often set up so there was alot of standing in line waiting for your turn.  

genewv
genewv
2/28/2012 9:42:33 AM #

I always hated FB and BB practice for the same reasons--way too much standing around.

Basketball, catching your breath was more of a problem--always on the move. I used to put time on the clock for every drill, quickly moving from one to the other, with the emphasis always on concentration, valuing time, etc. It also cut down on the amount of practice time you needed to get the work of the day accomplished, which was a plus when other teams are waiting to get the gym. You could get so much more done if you were organized, on time, etc. Kids often left the gym wanting to stay a little longer. Hungry dog hunts best.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/28/2012 11:03:47 AM #

You can move a baseball practice along at a pretty good pace if you have it planned,a lot of stations and a few players at each station. You combo things. Soft toss and tee drills can be fielding practice also. Combine BP with baserunning and fielding. Timmy, SocSon's club coaches never had conditioning. They always kept practice two hours of movement. No matter what they were doing it always combined game time conditions with passsing,running, foot skills etc.

genewv
genewv
2/28/2012 11:40:46 AM #

Totally agree. Unfortunately, most of my baseball coaches were not that organized, thus the dead time. Hated it.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/28/2012 12:43:49 PM #

When I was coaching American Legion ball,we would play the Legion team from Troy ,Ohio every year. They had the wildest infield pregame I ever saw. They would have three or four balls going around at one time. Our guys would watch in amazement at how sharp they were. Then we would go out and kick their butt. Two guys that played in the majors,another one that played in the minors,two guys that played for a national Junior College champ and 3 more that played D1 college ball trump a snappy infield practice. Unfortunately for us, only one of those guys was a pitcher. Team motto,"Hold'em to 10,baby"

Statmom
Statmom
2/28/2012 9:48:26 AM #


Yesterday, Statson told me they must sprint between drills during H.S. baseball practice.  No standing around for them.

genewv
genewv
2/28/2012 11:46:14 AM #

In my basketball praticers, I made most of the drill s so hard they included conditioning, especially wheen there was no rest time in between. Once I learned to condition with drills, not just sprinting, running, we did a lot better with time used.

I mainly used sprints, running, for punishment, when I got mad at them, etc., and just before we quit, as I wanted to really wind the kids before they shot their FT's. I wanted them tired, able to concentrate when tired, winded, as they would be in many cases in a crucial part of the game at the end.

Anyway, standing is the worst of all diseases, however one handles it is better than the standing.

genewv
genewv
2/28/2012 11:47:18 AM #

In my PRACTICES too! Lord.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 9:49:23 AM #

Alyson Footer @alysonfooter

Brett Myers moving to closer role, Brad Mills tells media.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/28/2012 10:45:44 AM #

LOLStros

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 10:59:59 AM #

When the hell will they get to use him? You have to get the lead to earn a save.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/28/2012 12:44:55 PM #

There has to be a physical reason.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 12:58:16 PM #

keithlaw @keithlaw

I really don't get it. RT @Louie101: @keithlaw How awesome is the Astros decision to move Brett Myers to closer?

Ask Res Tool about the Molina deal. He needs a take a crap hat trick.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/28/2012 9:57:22 AM #

15 Mil per year?  That's a lot of neck tatoos.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 10:38:36 AM #

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN

The Brewers don't play a single interleague game this season against a team that had a record over .500 last year.

And we get the Yankees 2 years in a row. WTF

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 10:58:42 AM #

John Fay @johnfayman
Bowling news from camp: Willie Harris rolled 155 -- in the first game of life. @DatDudeBP rolled 214 -- throwing ball between his legs.#reds

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 11:05:27 AM #

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN

Without a doubt, the Pirates have toughest April schedule in the majors. espn.go.com/mlb/team/sched… There's fraternity hazing nicer than this.

The first week of May is not a let up either!

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/28/2012 2:32:15 PM #

Other than the Astros, is there a team in the league that they should expect to compete against? Maybe the Cubs, Mets, & Padres?

Not too much lean meat in the NL this year. NL Central will produce wild card team by simple fact that we get to play the Cubs, Astros & Pirates a lot.

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
2/28/2012 12:51:23 PM #

Interesting topic on Doug Gray's site today.  Should the Reds consider extending Devin Mesoraco?

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/28/2012 1:20:56 PM #

By the way, I am not smart enough to to put an avatar on my profile.  If anyone can walk me through the gravatar thingy, that would be great.  (yes, I followed the instructions. yes, this happens to me a lot)

Amy
Amy
2/28/2012 1:51:09 PM #

I am really not the best person to answer this (stop laughing, all of you), but I think I remember that it didn't "take" until you logged out of the Reds October site and then logged back in? And now I will beg others to tell you how to really fix it.

Someone please tell him how to really fix it.

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/28/2012 1:53:29 PM #

Lets see.

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/28/2012 1:53:50 PM #

Nope, haha.  Oh well.  Im going abstract in 2012.

Mary
Mary
2/28/2012 2:15:47 PM #

are you sure you are using the same email for gravatar as you have signed on to RO with?  Seems that was a problem someone else encountered not long ago

misterBartender
misterBartender
2/28/2012 3:52:22 PM #

Yeah, its all correct.  Im doing one of the steps wrong I guess...Ive done all of the appropriate loggong, I believe.

Amy
Amy
2/28/2012 2:41:17 PM #

eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/.../35020024

Amy
Amy
2/28/2012 2:42:07 PM #

Statement from Braun's sample collector.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/28/2012 2:47:27 PM #

A couple of days ago, we were talking about Band Of Brothers. One of the main characters died a few days ago.
news.yahoo.com/...dier-dies-90-wash-172718718.html

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 3:09:52 PM #

They will all be gone by the time my kids can comprehend. At least there is lots of high quality video out there. Their interviews make a much bigger impact than the revolutionary and civil war letter read by actors in most historical documentaries.

Neal McDonough who played Compton is starring in Justified on FX. So many of the guys from BoB are acting today and can thank BoB for their launch.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/28/2012 3:11:07 PM #

The Pepsi driver in the commercials.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/28/2012 2:52:22 PM #

www.espnmilwaukee.com/.../more.php

Read the last line of this statemetn by the sample collector. That's a good law firm. The problem w/ a defamation suit is that the collector's name may not have been public knowledge at the time Braun alleged that there was tampering. We shall see. Probably a settlement out of court w/ a gag order, but who knows.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 3:25:51 PM #

resident tool finally makes a contribution to RO that we can use.

http://meadowparty.com/blog/?p=2152

Amy
Amy
2/28/2012 3:49:21 PM #

Why did I not think to have guacamole at Raul & Theresa's before?? Doing that this time.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 3:54:38 PM #

whats odd is I'm not even a huge guac fan but i might give it a whirl in AZ.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/28/2012 3:39:57 PM #

Here's a few thoughts from the last few days of me not posting:

- The Yadier Molina contract is absolutely, positively the worst contract of the offseason. They're paying him like a first ballot HOF, top of the line catcher. Which he isn't - he's a good glove, league average bat player. I'm delighted!

- Anyone freaking out about bullpen sessions in February should be barred from ever watching sports again.

- Ryan Braun's throwing a hard working, blue collar worker under the bus to save his herpes infested hide is despicable.

- Keith Law is a douche.

That about covers it from me.

Amy
Amy
2/28/2012 3:48:32 PM #

Heh. Concise summary of the last few days from all of us, pretty much.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/28/2012 3:48:00 PM #

Don't think anyone here will dispute your comments. Where were you that you saw freaking out over BP sessions? Was it over Arroyo getting hit around or Latos having nerves or Brackman striking out the likes of H Rod and other with numbers over 65?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/28/2012 4:22:34 PM #

There were more than a few people freaking out about Latos over at MLB.com and cincinnatireds.com. A lot of 'this proves it was a horrible trade!' and 'he should come in ready for October!' nonsense.

No one here (though I would say the same thing to anyone reading anything into Arroyo's rough start) has been like that. Just an observation from around the web.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/28/2012 4:30:45 PM #

That was me worried about Arroyo.  I know that Arroyo typically starts out slowly in the Spring anyway, he's proven that over the last 4-5 yrs.  He typically is working on getting his pitch count up mostly, especially early and doesn't really start working on his stuff until late Spring.  It's likely the uneasiness surrounding his previous season that has me on edge earlier than I should be.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/28/2012 4:36:19 PM #

Yeah, I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't worry about Arroyo. But to freak out over one bullpen session seems quite excessive.

I'm worried about Arroyo because we saw him get lit up like a Christmas tree for just about 200 innings last year. Maybe that was mono; maybe that was him starting to suck.

But regardless, it's not even March yet. I'll trust the back of the baseball card over a two sentence writeup of a 30 pitch BP session.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/28/2012 4:45:03 PM #

Oh I agree completely really at this point you can't get too high or too low on anyone.  I'm just glad there's actually baseball activity to talk about.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/28/2012 4:31:40 PM #

How about a new starter from someone?  I've got two in the works but man o man they are long winded and far from complete.  I don't want to rush either though.  Any takers?

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/28/2012 4:35:05 PM #

I use to like Braun.  I don't like cheats though, and lying cheats are even worse.  I'd like to think that he gets his down the road.  

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/28/2012 5:36:37 PM #

I could put something together RedFaced.  If it's ok If I do a nostalgic post in or ode to the game I love lol.  That's the kind of stuff I'm good at.  There are other things too.  I could come up with something substantial.  I don't have any plans tonight.

Mary
Mary
2/28/2012 5:47:22 PM #

Variety in viewpoints and angles is what makes this forum as interesting as it is to all of us. Nostalgia would be great

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/28/2012 7:08:55 PM #


jon Heyman retweeted Will Carroll...I then tweeted at Will Carroll. I'm beginning to wonder if sports writers do any research at all. I already know that it took them until 2011 to understand OPS, so these drug situations are mighty tricky.

Will Carroll ‏ @injuryexpert  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
According to Fedex's site, there are 43 locations with Saturday pick up "close to" Miller Park's ZIP. fedex.com/Dropoff/Locati… Closest here.
Retweeted by Jon Heyman


@injuryexpert go to that fed ex site and put in the filters "milwaukee" "saturday service" and "express drop off after 5:30 pm".....

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/28/2012 7:13:05 PM #

Will Carroll was seriously suggesting that it would have been better to drop teh sample in a Fed Ex drop box outside of an apartment complex than keep it in this dude's basemetn, per protocol.

FED EX DOESN'T TAKE ITEMS FOR EXPRESS DELIVERY AFTER 5:00 PM IN MILWAUKEEEEEEEEE! You can drop it off, but it w ill just sit there. MLB, like any other reasonable organization and WADA to be specific, says take the sample home, don't drop it off at fed ex until Fed Ex will actually deliver it.

Why not just drop it off? Because then it sits there. They'd rather know where the thing is then have it sitting in Fed Ex for two nights god knows where.

This is all so freakin' stupid. The lengths these guys are going to defend Braun just disgusts me.

Mary
Mary
2/28/2012 7:52:27 PM #

btalbert has supplied with a new thread to post on that is now up.


Carry on.

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